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Fake Dog for Home Security

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Re: Fake Dog for Home Security

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In any case, the cost of a dog bowl and some free tennis balls is minimal compared to the potential benefit if even one break-in is prevented. When I sold security systems, I learned that one of those lawn signs alone that says "Protected by XYZ Security" has a deterrent factor. Cameras (even if they're fake or deactivated/unmonitored) also have a pretty significant deterrent factor. See https://www.angi.com/articles…

"Protected by Glock"

My favorite: "There's nothing in here worth dying for."

Re: Fake Dog for Home Security

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> The dog has a lot of false positives from the cameras being triggered by car headlights or small animals. My real dog has the same feature, so you’re at least doing a good job mimicking nature, heh.

That reminds me of the argument about sentience lately. Why can't a neural network be sentient if all our actions have been trained by interacting with the world since birth?

The operative word in your comment being "actions". What "actions" can (current generation) neural networks undertake? Can they initiate anything? Can they choose their own learning material? Can they even choose when or whether to repeat a certain training set?

There was a recent HN comment about this that I think illustrates the point well [0]:

experimentation is an act on the world to set its state and then measure it. That's what learning involves. These machines do not act on the world, they just capture correlations.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32201757

Re: Fake Dog for Home Security

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After living in a dangerous city my whole life, I think living in a place where break ins are consequences of owners being lazy would be awesome.

Crimes of opportunity are also the most common crimes in places with more crime. What’s awesome is living somewhere that crimes of opportunity don’t even happen. There are still places where people don’t lock doors because they don’t need to.

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Re: Fake Dog for Home Security

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But you could say the same thing about random people in the street that you don't like the look of: it's stupid to wait and see if they're going to murder your kids, so the best thing to do is murder them first. And no, someone who breaks into a house with the intention of burgling is not an attacker, they're a burglar , regardless of whether other people are in the house. Someone who breaks into a house with the int…

> But you could say the same thing about random people in the street that you don't like the look of: it's stupid to wait and see if they're going to murder your kids, so the best thing to do is murder them first. No, you couldn't, because they did not use force to get into the space of your children. > And no, someone who breaks into a house with the intention of burgling is not an attacker, they're a burglar, regar…

Or maybe they didn't know anyone was home? It's not so hard to imagine many scenarios where someone just wanted to rob the place.

Re: Fake Dog for Home Security

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In the ones that have an "outside" for the kids, sure. In my experience, most of the bigger cities in Europe just don't have the space for the kids to hang out. Sure there are parks with playgrounds here and there, but they are separated by kilometers of concrete and stone. At least suburbs have the spaces and the clean air.

Cities have a lot more for kids to do within a kilometer or two, IME. In a suburb you may have "space" but it's all just people's lawns and strips of grass next to the road.

Not all suburbs are set up like that. Mine has a nice “downtown” area in walking distance with plenty to do. There’s mid-rise buildings, shops, restaurants, bars, and a train station to the city if you get bored.

Re: Fake Dog for Home Security

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You're correct in your first paragraph and probably a quarter correct in your second paragraph. Just to be a bit more deliberate: poor communities have experienced high rates of crime throughout human history, it's a newly recurring phenomenon that high rates of crime are now happening in communities which are not poor, and it's a problematic sign for society. Without trying to crack open the entirety of human psycho…

Why is it an issue that wealth is not as insulative as it once was against crime? What about those who want wealth but can't acquire it but also do good in a community to prevent crime? What if we were forced to make communal change instead of buying our way out? Children across all spectrums of wealth have engaged in vandalization or theft for the entirety of humanity, whether for social media points or other variat…

> Why is it an issue that wealth is not as insulative as it once was against crime?

I think it depends on social context, but at least in the US, and I would suspect in much of the West generally, people work to acquire wealth primarily to better the lives of themselves and their family, and a big portion of that is where they live (e.g. a home purchase is usually the largest purchase in any person's life). Given that, if you cannot reliably buy a home in a safe place, it leads to significant increased risk for productive members of society and general breakdowns in social cohesion. I don't want to be that guy, but I see parallels between our current zeitgeist and the fall of the Roman Empire.

> What about those who want wealth but can't acquire it but also do good in a community to prevent crime? What if we were forced to make communal change instead of buying our way out?

"Buying your way out" is a form of communal change, it's literally the basis of suburban living, HOAs, inner-metro townships & associated township policing, et al. I don't know of anyone who "wants wealth but can't acquire it", I know of many people that want some subset of what wealth might bring and are unwilling to do the things necessary to acquire what they want. Unwillingness and inability are not the same, nor is materialism and safety/piece and quiet.

> Children across all spectrums of wealth have engaged in vandalization or theft for the entirety of humanity, whether for social media points or other variations of clout.

Yes, anti-social behavior is part of the human condition, but generally speaking is confined in some way except in times of social strife and turmoil. By most metrics this is not a time of social strife and turmoil, but we are seeing a rise in anti-social behavior that would indicate that it is.

Re: Fake Dog for Home Security

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That reminds me of the argument about sentience lately. Why can't a neural network be sentient if all our actions have been trained by interacting with the world since birth?

The operative word in your comment being "actions". What "actions" can (current generation) neural networks undertake? Can they initiate anything? Can they choose their own learning material? Can they even choose when or whether to repeat a certain training set? There was a recent HN comment about this that I think illustrates the point well [0]: experimentation is an act on the world to set its state and then measur…

Wouldn't you say that a neural network that learns to play a game by playing the game does so via experimentation?

Re: Fake Dog for Home Security

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But you could say the same thing about random people in the street that you don't like the look of: it's stupid to wait and see if they're going to murder your kids, so the best thing to do is murder them first. And no, someone who breaks into a house with the intention of burgling is not an attacker, they're a burglar , regardless of whether other people are in the house. Someone who breaks into a house with the int…

> But you could say the same thing about random people in the street that you don't like the look of: it's stupid to wait and see if they're going to murder your kids, so the best thing to do is murder them first. No, you couldn't, because they did not use force to get into the space of your children. > And no, someone who breaks into a house with the intention of burgling is not an attacker, they're a burglar, regar…

> No, you couldn't, because they did not use force to get into the space of your children.

Why is use of force the line? What about burgulars who enter without using force?

Re: Fake Dog for Home Security

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> The dog has a lot of false positives from the cameras being triggered by car headlights or small animals. My real dog has the same feature, so you’re at least doing a good job mimicking nature, heh.

That reminds me of the argument about sentience lately. Why can't a neural network be sentient if all our actions have been trained by interacting with the world since birth?

Because most people define sentience as 'a black box that reacts meaningfully to inputs in a sufficiently unpredictable and inexplicable manner', and for most people (especially researchers in these fields), current neural networks do not meet this bar.

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The dog also doesn't come with an off switch in case you have an important meeting with your CEO, taking it in your home office and there's a squirrel running around...

Oh dear. Can’t say I’ve had that problem...really ever. How many squirrels have you had to chase/escort out so far?

Oh, I'm sure a squirrel outside is plenty to cause a problem. My dogs have historically not needed anything at all to actually be moving outside to trigger an endless barking spree.
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