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Senate passes bipartisan bill to subsidize U.S.-made semiconductor chips

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Re: Senate passes bipartisan bill to subsidize U.S.-made semiconductor chips

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Post by kevinventullo »

ipsin wrote: post #246
jedberg wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keep in mind that this isn't just a handout to business, but also a national security issue. Having 90% of our chips made in Taiwan means we have to spend a bunch of resources protecting Taiwan. The long term plan here is to bring this manufacturing back into the US so that we don't have to protect Taiwan anymore. (Please note I'm not stating my opinion on if this is good or bad, simply stating the end game they are…

If this were true, there would be a reduction in US military spending, but I'm... very much not buying that.

It’s not about military might. Look at the pain the west is feeling with divestment from Russia, and then imagine doing that with China.

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Post by jonny_eh »

jagged-chisel wrote: post #203
mathattack wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m all for healthy free lunches for poor kids. Is it really necessary to give free meals to all Palo Alto kids independent of financial status? https://www.paloaltoonline.com/news/2022/06/19/palo-alto-uni...

Doing it for everyone makes management simpler. I suspect it leads to better academic performance, too.

Also, it doesn't stigmatize the kids that do receive the free meals.

Re: Senate passes bipartisan bill to subsidize U.S.-made semiconductor chips

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Post by jonny_eh »

ejb999 wrote: post #278
kergonath wrote: post #236

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It is not necessarily a problem with progressive income taxes: the wealthier still pay more. Also, giving every kid the same treatment is a good idea in general as it reinforces the idea that they should be treated equally.

>>Also, giving every kid the same treatment is a good idea in general as it reinforces the idea that they should be treated equally. Actually what it does is teach kids they should depend on the government for handouts - even if there families can easily afford to pay their own way. Not a message I would choose to send.

Kids depend on adults. Those adults are primarily their parents, but it need not be.

Re: Senate passes bipartisan bill to subsidize U.S.-made semiconductor chips

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Post by toolz »

californical wrote: post #228
thereare5lights wrote: post #211

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> Semiconductor manufacturing is of military and geopolitical significance so it makes a lot of sense that the government is willing to spend big here. You expounded on the value of semiconductors but you didn't on the value of feeding children that would go hungry otherwise. This is why saying > This is a shallow analysis. rings hollow. The value of feeding the next generation of Americans and ensuring they do not g…

Poor children are still eligible? Nobody is going hungry

so many "think of the children" arguments without even addressing the fact that literally no one starves in the U.S. for lack of food availability (mental issues can and do lead to starvation though, unfortunately).

I for one don't think the federal government should have anything to do with our school systems. That is not their expertise, not their domain and they don't need any temptations or distractions to use their funding or powers on schools. I want the federal government focused on federal issues.

It seems quite reasonable that schools should serve the local community and be largely funded and ran by locals.

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Post by onepointsixC »

Someone1234 wrote: post #129

It should be noted that the US decided not to extend the universal free school meals program, because it was "too expensive" at $11B. They also stopped the expanded and early payment of family tax credits, causing a double-whammy hit to poor families (then pile on inflation/food prices, and gas prices). But $50B to large monopolistic companies isn't "too expensive," and we can afford that . Unfortunately 52 senators…

> But $50B to large monopolistic companies isn't "too expensive," and we can afford that.

The US cannot afford losing its technological edge. It is an issue of national security. CHIPS is quite a modest bill compared to foreign competitors such as the South Korean $450Bn bill[1]. And that's not even going into how much subsidies China is pumping into their fabs.

[1]: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-13/korea-unv... [1 Non paywalled]: https://archive.ph/9Gs8q

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Post by nitrixion »

samstave wrote: post #65

When will senate pass a technological test. Lets make these blokes take a MINIMAL entry level exam; * What is a data base * What is personal identifiable identification and why does it mattter * What does a walled garden mean So many functionally identifiable comms These fucking morons cant even state the above. De-Seat them all.

I don't mean to be rude, but your list of questions is a perfect example of why this type of test would be meaningless.

* What is a data base - Are you asking what type of military base stores data? Or did you mean database?

* What is personal identifiable identification and why does it matter? - Do you mean PII (personally identifiable information)? Or are you talking about a driver's license?

* What does a walled garden mean - Are you talking about what is in my back yard? What is around a castle? Or Apple's App Store?

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Post by bagacrap »

bloodyplonker22 wrote: post #124
pm90 wrote: post #20

WaPo article, which has more details about the bill and less details about what different “personalities” are saying: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/07/27/senate-ch... . Overall, it looks great. We absolutely need to fund more semiconductor manufacturing. Losing that ability to China/Taiwan was just a terrible strategic mistake. The US hasn’t lost this battle (over semiconductors) just yet. While curren…

> Losing that ability to China/Taiwan was just a terrible strategic mistake. More like losing that ability to Taiwan's TSMC and South Korea's Samsung. China's SMIC is very far behind and has insignificant market share. Additionally, it's rather insulting to non-communists when you mishmash together China and Taiwan.

yes, although the subsidies supply to anyone who builds fabs in the US, including TSMC.

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Post by BobbyJo »

DubiousPusher wrote: post #294
tablespoon wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It should be noted that the US decided not to extend the universal free school meals program, because it was "too expensive" at $11B. They also stopped the expanded and early payment of family tax credits, causing a double-whammy hit to poor families (then pile on inflation/food prices, and gas prices). But $50B to large monopolistic companies isn't "too expensive," and we can afford that. That's misleading framing…

> More accurately: there's more consensus around national security spending than social spending. Is there? Or is there just more consensus among the elite and Ivy League educated who dominate security discussion and policy?

I mean, these people are voted in.

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Post by notyourwork »

DubiousPusher wrote: post #294
tablespoon wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It should be noted that the US decided not to extend the universal free school meals program, because it was "too expensive" at $11B. They also stopped the expanded and early payment of family tax credits, causing a double-whammy hit to poor families (then pile on inflation/food prices, and gas prices). But $50B to large monopolistic companies isn't "too expensive," and we can afford that. That's misleading framing…

> More accurately: there's more consensus around national security spending than social spending. Is there? Or is there just more consensus among the elite and Ivy League educated who dominate security discussion and policy?

What answer do you expect to get to your argumentative question?

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Post by diordiderot »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #276
memonkey wrote: post #262

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Ah, yes, the ol' write your congresspeople. Part of the problem is that for years they are running on these platforms saying they will help the people but end up not doing any of the things they say they are going to do.

Democracy doesn't mean everyone gets what they want. You are not the only constituent with a voice.

Median earners and top 1% disagree on 11% of legislation.

Of that 11%, there is a 1% chance the resulting vote aligns with the preferences of the median earner

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