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Re: Federal Reserve to increase interest rates by 75 basis points

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What is being to address the price gouging by companies? Oil and gas companies are seeing record profits, how can it be just inflation that costs are going up?

How exactly can a company price-gouge in a free market? First, nobody is compelled to buy anything from them. Second, anyone else is allowed to become a supplier, and easily make a fortune by offering a cheaper price. And the only thing that prevents the above from being true, is oppressive government policies that undermine the freemarket, which are sold to the people as "for their protection".

Cartels and predatory monopolies can exist in a free market. It’s not as simple as conjuring up companies with billions of operational supply chain investments into thin air.

As Tesla likes to point out, they are one of 2 car companies formed in the last century.

Re: Federal Reserve to increase interest rates by 75 basis points

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I'm skeptical that interest rate hikes will curb inflation. I'm even skeptical that a recession will curb inflation. We have significant shortages of so many products and services that people rely on and the only way I see the situation improving is if supplies increase, maybe dramatically. It's too difficult to curb demand for things like food and housing if the population is growing. Those are things we just need t…

The shortage of housing and population growth have been around for 20 years and the fear until a year ago was deflation not inflation. Don't think that's what is driving inflation. Money printing is what caused the initial rise in prices. But we aren’t printing money anymore, so that would be a one off. Super tight labor market is what will create the self-fulfiling cycle of prices up => higher wages => prices up. I…

> Super tight labor market is what will create the self-fulfiling cycle of prices up => higher wages => prices up. I think the Fed is trying to create unemployment, so that it breaks the ability to demand higher wages, and stops the cycle.

This is the current view of most people I talk to but I’m skeptical that rising wages is the cause here given what prices we are seeing rise the fastest. If rising wages were the cause, I’d expect to see a different mix than what we are seeing. For example, costs of groceries are rising faster than going out to eat even though eating out requires lots of labor. There are lots of these examples, but to me the prices that are rising don’t seem to line up with past examples of wage fueled inflation. It seems supply is still an important issue and a lot of the supply constrained resources are going to be difficult to suppress demand for.

I’m worried about this narrative that inflation goes into some unstoppable cycle and the only way to stop it is to intentionally cause a recession. If rising wages isn’t the main cause it will take a lot of damage to successfully curb inflation, but people will justify the suffering as necessary to prevent a greater evil.

I don’t think there is great evidence that inflation leads to some unstoppable cycle. The only historical examples of hyperinflation are ones that were caused by deep underlying issues in a country’s economic viability or cases where a country owed an extraordinary amount of debt in a currency they did not control. Yet somehow it seems many are under the impression that we are doomed to the same fate despite sharing none of those same characteristics. This believe will be used to justify killing labor power, which means the burden is on the lower rungs of society yet again. A shame, especially since we haven’t seen strong labor power in quite a long time and were just starting to.

Re: Federal Reserve to increase interest rates by 75 basis points

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"Tell me you were too young to remember Alan Greenspan without telling me that" The Fed has always shied away from saying things too bluntly, and preferred to deal with wishy washy code words. If it ever says something bluntly you know they really mean it. Something like "softened" is a deliberately ambiguous phrase designed to acknowledge the reality that they're declining without causing panic, by being uncertain a…

Oil is down 20% from June, so it's likely we'll have somewhat tapered inflation next CPI. Current best estimate for FOMC meeting 6 weeks from now is a 50 bps raise, and then two more 25 bps raise to end the year at 3.25%. Sounds reasonable to me.

Over the course of 2 years from 2004 to 2006 the fed raised interest rates by 425bp which ultimately popped the housing bubble. In less than a year the Fed will have increased rates by 325bp in your scenario, and there's no indication by the Fed that they're going to slow down that much, and currently no indication that inflation will hit their 2% target rate. And they're more concerned with core CPI running around 6% than the price of food and energy, so oil coming off its highs doesn't actually mean that much to policy (and you can't even see the last commodities boom when oil went to $100/bbl in the core-CPI readings from that time -- the rise in oil prices didn't cause the core CPI increase, so falling oil prices won't reverse it). And I think the markets are underestimating how much they'll hike rates to close out the year. If core CPI remains elevated even as oil comes off its highs then they could at least do 3 more 50bp hikes to close out the year.

Re: Federal Reserve to increase interest rates by 75 basis points

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Now if we can only get states (like California) to stop giving out stimulus payments (they literally calling it inflation stimulus; learn economics 101) and drop student debt forgiveness nonsense. The fed is trying to curb inflation, while politicians are trying to get re-elected at any cost, fighting the fed.

Raising taxes on the wealthy could offset any changes to the money supply caused by a slightly more generous welfare state. An obvious solution.

Who are the wealthy in your view? Anyone making more than N amount? Or worth more than M amount? And what's that amount?

Re: Federal Reserve to increase interest rates by 75 basis points

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Oil is down 20% from June, so it's likely we'll have somewhat tapered inflation next CPI. Current best estimate for FOMC meeting 6 weeks from now is a 50 bps raise, and then two more 25 bps raise to end the year at 3.25%. Sounds reasonable to me.

Over the course of 2 years from 2004 to 2006 the fed raised interest rates by 425bp which ultimately popped the housing bubble. In less than a year the Fed will have increased rates by 325bp in your scenario, and there's no indication by the Fed that they're going to slow down that much, and currently no indication that inflation will hit their 2% target rate. And they're more concerned with core CPI running around 6…

> And they're more concerned with core CPI running around 6% than the price of food and energy, so oil coming off its highs doesn't actually mean that much to policy

Energy, as well as being a CPI component itself, is a key production input and has outsize effects on prices across the board (though that effect is smoothed compared to immediate energy costs); if energy costs have peaked (and not just seeing a downward fluctuation over the last month or so), then that itself is going to be a huge brake on core inflation.

Re: Federal Reserve to increase interest rates by 75 basis points

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> Just don’t suggest some type of “communal/socialist” housing. Been there (ussr) - f#*%k that and everything related to it. is this the ususal government=Communal=socialist=communist brain bug? They are totally different things! UK has social housing managed by local government, it's been very succesfull and desirable. Communal apartments are a type of buildding. Community housing might is 'normal' housing run by an…

>> why should someone be 'investing' in newbuild Apartments they won't live in, what value does that bring to the economy? it funds their construction and land acquisition

So does selling the apartment to future homeowners, which can be boosted by providing mortgages to young families. If the company needs finance it can produce corporate bonds, taking out loans, the state could provide funding, etc.

What is the basis for claiming any more funding is required for their construction and aquisition? This 'investment' only drives up real estate prices, and as a result ever more money will be required for future land aquisitions. It is literally a system that easts itself.

Re: Federal Reserve to increase interest rates by 75 basis points

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It's almost like you are encouraging supply side economics... aka... trickle down We need to massively cut corporate taxes, investment taxes, regulations, and all manner of things to increase supply. The government has been attacking business for so long we are in quite the hole.

Judging from the downvotes you get the level of understanding of 101 economics among the HN audience remains precariously low :-)

How would slashing corporate taxes fix inflation? Corporate taxation encourages companies to reinvest into their own businesses: hiring more people, increased capex, etc. Cutting taxes just causes companies to either hoard cash, or return capital to shareholders through dividends or stock buybacks. Neither of these things helps the economy, or helps the average person; it's just wealth transfer from all taxpayers, to elites.

Check out what airlines did in the last half of the last decade. Check out what kinds of companies benefited most from the COVID-related handouts, and see what they did with that money.

Re: Federal Reserve to increase interest rates by 75 basis points

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I think that if we have to choose between letting hundreds of thousands of additional people die, or having a healthy economy, we utterly failed our priorities as a society long before the pandemic started.

"Every one percent unemployment goes up, 40,000 people die" – this comes from the film The Big Short.

Not sure if you're being serious with these numbers, but we've had 1,000,000 covid deaths in the U.S. So we'd need 25% unemployment to match... And people are still dying from covid.

Re: Federal Reserve to increase interest rates by 75 basis points

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> but inflation only happens in reality because of government spending, borrowing, and deficit spending. This is incorrect. Note that governments around the world are also experiencing record levels of inflation and each has their own fiscal policy. Inflation is an aggregate economic effect driven by a variety of factors—including but by no means limited to government spending. Other things that contribute to inflati…

Most of your ‘refutation’ is dishonest, Keynesian, MMT nonsense. Fiat doesn’t get introduced unless printed or borrowed by the government. Full stop. Companies raising prices is not inflation and conflating that with government monetary policy is outright disinformation.

> Companies raising prices is not inflation

Given that we base inflation numbers on CPI, inflation exactly is companies raising prices -- well, companies that produce the goods that are included in CPI, anyway.

Yes, we still have to consider the reasoning behind why they are raising prices. Personally, I believe it is more because of supply chain shortages than COVID fiscal policy (though the latter certainly contributes), but I agree that's up for debate.

Re: Federal Reserve to increase interest rates by 75 basis points

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"Tell me you were too young to remember Alan Greenspan without telling me that" The Fed has always shied away from saying things too bluntly, and preferred to deal with wishy washy code words. If it ever says something bluntly you know they really mean it. Something like "softened" is a deliberately ambiguous phrase designed to acknowledge the reality that they're declining without causing panic, by being uncertain a…

How does an interest increase influence unionization?

The more leverage labor has, the harder union-busting is, generally, because labor rights enforcement is...decidedly spotty, but witholding labor, or even making your firm less attractive to applicants, in a tight labor market is highly effective whether or not the state is enforcing labor rights.

Interest rate hikes slow the economy and reduce labor demand and leverage.

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