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Re: Instagram is shifting to videos – users aren't happy

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Post by fdgsdfogijq » Wed, Jul 27, 2022, 7:31 PM UTC

kache_ wrote: post #29

fdgsdfogijq wrote: post #9

Theory on facebook failure/Google failure to innovate: They have the highest leetcode standards out of FAANG. As does Snap. They hire people that basically memorized computer science algorithms. And so their employees are bookish, not innovative people. Apple, Microsoft, and Amazon do not have the same issues with creating new products. Keith Rabois (top VC), mentioned that FB has always prioritized optimization over…

High G factor correlates with high creativity. I see a direct correlation to coming up with creative solutions and being able to solve a battery of tests. A lot of the leetcode hate mostly exists because it's hard. And a lot of coding interview problems actually require a lot of creativity to solve. And imagine thinking that facebook isn't innovating. Facebook is leading the future of virtual reality, and leading AI…

Theres a difference between creating beautiful creative code and creating an innovative product that people want to use. Its a different type of intelligence, and why you dont see Math professors starting ecommerce/product businesses.

Re: Instagram is shifting to videos – users aren't happy

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Post by zippergz » Wed, Jul 27, 2022, 7:31 PM UTC

kache_ wrote: post #36

You know what? I love the new instagram changes. And everyone I know has been using it more and more over the years. Interesting that the people who hate it so much are the same ones that are using it. Data doesn't lie. TikTok copied short form videos from.. vine. I mean youtube YLYL videos. I mean... newgrounds. Shit's been around, and both facebook and google are going to lap tik tok. Keep up :)

Data doesn't lie is, in itself, a lie. Data has to be collected, so it's biased by what you choose to measure. Data has to be interpreted, so it's biased by how you interpret it. Data is only a snapshot in time, so it doesn't predict the future. There are many, many ways to make engagement metrics look much better in the short term while absolutely destroying long term engagement. Whether that's what Instagram is doing is still up for debate, but I think there's a very real chance it is.

Re: Instagram is shifting to videos – users aren't happy

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Post by mjburgess » Wed, Jul 27, 2022, 7:32 PM UTC

Strom wrote: post #49

mnd999 wrote: post #22

“I guarantee that every single person who liked and shared that post about bringing Instagram back to what it was, would spend way less time on Instagram if it reverted back to how it used to be” Sure, because they could get the information they want without having to wade through the mountains of crap you’re pumping out of the septic tank into your users faces. You’re optimising the wrong metric you fucking clown.

You have a good point that would stand even stronger without the name calling.

It does seem very appropriate though, doesnt it?

Re: Instagram is shifting to videos – users aren't happy

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Post by liveoneggs » Wed, Jul 27, 2022, 7:32 PM UTC

yashap wrote: post #53

fdgsdfogijq wrote: post #9

Theory on facebook failure/Google failure to innovate: They have the highest leetcode standards out of FAANG. As does Snap. They hire people that basically memorized computer science algorithms. And so their employees are bookish, not innovative people. Apple, Microsoft, and Amazon do not have the same issues with creating new products. Keith Rabois (top VC), mentioned that FB has always prioritized optimization over…

You really think Google have a failure to innovate? Obviously search was their first, core innovation, but over the years they’ve delivered so many other successful products (many acquired, true, but even those they’ve evolved really well). Off the top of my head: - Maps - AdWords - Gmail - YouTube - Analytics - Translate - Calendar - Sheets - Docs - Drive - Meet - Slides - Drawings - Forms - Trends - Alerts I’m sure…

Did you intentionally make a list of google acquisitions as a joke?

Re: Instagram is shifting to videos – users aren't happy

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jul 27, 2022, 7:32 PM UTC

Strom wrote: post #49

mnd999 wrote: post #22

“I guarantee that every single person who liked and shared that post about bringing Instagram back to what it was, would spend way less time on Instagram if it reverted back to how it used to be” Sure, because they could get the information they want without having to wade through the mountains of crap you’re pumping out of the septic tank into your users faces. You’re optimising the wrong metric you fucking clown.

You have a good point that would stand even stronger without the name calling.

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Re: Instagram is shifting to videos – users aren't happy

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Post by _2d30 » Wed, Jul 27, 2022, 7:32 PM UTC

Strom wrote: post #49

mnd999 wrote: post #22

“I guarantee that every single person who liked and shared that post about bringing Instagram back to what it was, would spend way less time on Instagram if it reverted back to how it used to be” Sure, because they could get the information they want without having to wade through the mountains of crap you’re pumping out of the septic tank into your users faces. You’re optimising the wrong metric you fucking clown.

You have a good point that would stand even stronger without the name calling.

Actually, it's a terrible point because Tommy Marcus, the Brooklyn based content creator, has no say in Instagram's optimization choices!

Re: Instagram is shifting to videos – users aren't happy

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Post by raverbashing » Wed, Jul 27, 2022, 7:33 PM UTC

fdgsdfogijq wrote: post #9

Theory on facebook failure/Google failure to innovate: They have the highest leetcode standards out of FAANG. As does Snap. They hire people that basically memorized computer science algorithms. And so their employees are bookish, not innovative people. Apple, Microsoft, and Amazon do not have the same issues with creating new products. Keith Rabois (top VC), mentioned that FB has always prioritized optimization over…

Same with Google, where Marissa Mayer would allegedly run A/B tests to find the best shade of blue

Pro-tip: that's not how you build a system. The best shade of blue is the least of your concerns

"Oh but Google/FB have actual designers, product people etc", yes but don't underestimate management's (those who got promoted, usually from the engineering ranks) ability to mismanage it

Re: Instagram is shifting to videos – users aren't happy

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jul 27, 2022, 7:33 PM UTC

yashap wrote: post #53

fdgsdfogijq wrote: post #9

Theory on facebook failure/Google failure to innovate: They have the highest leetcode standards out of FAANG. As does Snap. They hire people that basically memorized computer science algorithms. And so their employees are bookish, not innovative people. Apple, Microsoft, and Amazon do not have the same issues with creating new products. Keith Rabois (top VC), mentioned that FB has always prioritized optimization over…

You really think Google have a failure to innovate? Obviously search was their first, core innovation, but over the years they’ve delivered so many other successful products (many acquired, true, but even those they’ve evolved really well). Off the top of my head: - Maps - AdWords - Gmail - YouTube - Analytics - Translate - Calendar - Sheets - Docs - Drive - Meet - Slides - Drawings - Forms - Trends - Alerts I’m sure…

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Re: Instagram is shifting to videos – users aren't happy

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Post by i386 » Wed, Jul 27, 2022, 7:33 PM UTC

yashap wrote: post #53

fdgsdfogijq wrote: post #9

Theory on facebook failure/Google failure to innovate: They have the highest leetcode standards out of FAANG. As does Snap. They hire people that basically memorized computer science algorithms. And so their employees are bookish, not innovative people. Apple, Microsoft, and Amazon do not have the same issues with creating new products. Keith Rabois (top VC), mentioned that FB has always prioritized optimization over…

You really think Google have a failure to innovate? Obviously search was their first, core innovation, but over the years they’ve delivered so many other successful products (many acquired, true, but even those they’ve evolved really well). Off the top of my head: - Maps - AdWords - Gmail - YouTube - Analytics - Translate - Calendar - Sheets - Docs - Drive - Meet - Slides - Drawings - Forms - Trends - Alerts I’m sure…

Ads is the only thing on that list that brings in revenue.

Re: Instagram is shifting to videos – users aren't happy

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Post by fdgsdfogijq » Wed, Jul 27, 2022, 7:34 PM UTC

thefz wrote: post #34

fdgsdfogijq wrote: post #9

Theory on facebook failure/Google failure to innovate: They have the highest leetcode standards out of FAANG. As does Snap. They hire people that basically memorized computer science algorithms. And so their employees are bookish, not innovative people. Apple, Microsoft, and Amazon do not have the same issues with creating new products. Keith Rabois (top VC), mentioned that FB has always prioritized optimization over…

> They have the highest leetcode standards out of FAANG. As does Snap. They hire people that basically memorized computer science algorithms. And so their employees are bookish, not innovative people. Apple, Microsoft, and Amazon do not have the same issues with creating new products. I don't think this is necessarily true because the people designing products are not the same people creating/implementing them. Even…

Commented this elsewhere:

Theres a difference between creating beautiful creative code and creating an innovative product that people want to use. Its a different type of intelligence, and why you dont see Math professors starting ecommerce/product/clothing businesses. The classic dichotomy between steve jobs and wozniak.

I have worked at a few big tech companies, I have regularly seen engineers drive huge innovation in how something is done. Product people cant always do that, they dont have enough understanding of large scale systems.