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Re: Fake Dog for Home Security

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Post by oefnak »

LinuxBender wrote: post #165
tacitusarc wrote: post #83

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In case this isn’t common knowledge, advertising you have a gun on premise makes you a more attractive target for burglaries

This might vary from location to location. Everyone in my state is armed and about 2/3 of people are concealed carrying. Everyone here will look out for each other. Everyone in my area knows who lives where and what vehicles they drive. There is property crime but that also carries with it the added risk of justifiable homicide which sadly is not broken down in the homicide statistics as far as I know.

> justifiable homicide Killing somebody for breaking in...

Oh what a world.

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Post by bavila »

watwut wrote: post #199
pg_bot wrote: post #187

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I wonder if a more effective deterrent would be communicating that you are an abusive and neglectful dog owner. 'Beware of dog' signs communicate to me that a person is responsible and they don't want to be sued in case of an accident. If there was a sign outside that was just a silhouette of a pit bull with the words 'dog fighter' underneath, I would not want to rob that house.

People who rob houses don't tend to be the smartes one on the street. If you think about consequences and risks, you don't rob houses.

Your common street criminal also tends to go after low-hanging fruit. A "Beware of Dog" sign and a security camera (even a fake one) will go a long way in your favor.

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Post by [deleted] »

andrewl wrote: post #191
LinuxBender wrote: post #165

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This might vary from location to location. Everyone in my state is armed and about 2/3 of people are concealed carrying. Everyone here will look out for each other. Everyone in my area knows who lives where and what vehicles they drive. There is property crime but that also carries with it the added risk of justifiable homicide which sadly is not broken down in the homicide statistics as far as I know.

Where do you live?

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Post by cle »

DennisP wrote: post #207
CorrectHorseBat wrote: post #139

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I don't like burglars, but a death penalty without trial is a bit much. And what about accidents and misunderstandings?

In many states, it's a bit much for legality too. In mine for example, I have to be reasonably in fear for my life to shoot someone in my house. That said, not everyone who breaks in is just after your stuff, especially if they come at night.

It's a tough line to draw. Personally, if someone has already demonstrated that they're willing to commit a felony (burglary), then I'm in fear for my life and the lives of my family. I get why some states don't consider that a justification for use of deadly force, but I also get why some states do.

Re: Fake Dog for Home Security

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Post by duxup »

kube-system wrote: post #188
mauvehaus wrote: post #141

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My former neighbor's father owned a junkyard with a fairly mean junkyard dog. Said dog did its job with a would-be thief, and the local government made them exterminate the dog. Apparently the logic behind that decision included the argument that the fact that they posted a "beware of dog" sign indicated that they knew the dog was dangerous (duh, that's sort of the point) and therefore shouldn't be given further chan…

Obviously people have guard dogs to guard things. But dangerous dogs who attack strangers don’t ask questions. If they’ll bite a strange thief, they’ll bite other strangers without bad motives. Dogs are smart, but they don’t understand “Hi I’m your new mailman”, etc.

Yeah some little kid wanders into the wrong space, shouldn't result in a dog attack.

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Post by lazerpants »

watwut wrote: post #203
fooker wrote: post #64

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In large-ish cities, sure. People have guns in rural areas everywhere. There are some exceptions like China where guns are very uncommon but if you are traveling through Eastern Europe, or Africa, or rural parts of south Asia you are going to encounter a lot of people who have guns. There isn’t a gun culture like in the US in these places though, so you’ll have to know what to look for.

100% not true here and not in Eastern Europe. People in villages don't have guns everywhere. Also, the one subgroup of villages who do have guns are actual mafia members. But their power is mainly in organization and in having bought cops. You having own gun will in no way help you if you are targetted. The rest of people have them generally only if they need them for job, very rarely otherwise. Villagers don't have…

The implied gun ownership rate given by the firearm suicide rate in Hungary, for example, is rather high. It is also surprisingly high in Austria. Neither are like the US of course, but unless the primary reason people own firearms in those countries is for suicide, more people own guns than you may imagine.

Granted, I did research on proxy gun rate estimators many years ago, using even older data, so it is possible that things have changed but I don't see why that would be the case.

Re: Fake Dog for Home Security

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Post by tristor »

oefnak wrote: post #211
LinuxBender wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This might vary from location to location. Everyone in my state is armed and about 2/3 of people are concealed carrying. Everyone here will look out for each other. Everyone in my area knows who lives where and what vehicles they drive. There is property crime but that also carries with it the added risk of justifiable homicide which sadly is not broken down in the homicide statistics as far as I know.

> justifiable homicide Killing somebody for breaking in... Oh what a world.

> Oh what a world.

Sounds pretty reasonable to me. In what world do you live in where someone can violate the sanctity of your home with impunity and you find that to be an acceptable outcome? Boundaries in society are ultimately always enforced with death as the final arbiter. You can put as many layers of abstraction as you want between that type of enforcement and the action that leads to it as you want, but it's always there.

Re: Fake Dog for Home Security

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Post by brippalcharrid »

pg_bot wrote: post #187
Nextgrid wrote: post #84

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A "beware of the dog" sign would probably be just as (if not more) effective regardless of whether there's an actual dog.

I wonder if a more effective deterrent would be communicating that you are an abusive and neglectful dog owner. 'Beware of dog' signs communicate to me that a person is responsible and they don't want to be sued in case of an accident. If there was a sign outside that was just a silhouette of a pit bull with the words 'dog fighter' underneath, I would not want to rob that house.

"Oh no, it looks like that dog is being abused, we need to get Police and Animal Services to arrest and charge the owner and take the animal to a shelter [where it can be euthanized]" is what would likely happen in a municipality where guard dogs are put down when they bite thieves on private property with all of the mitigating factors for the dog (the dog was chained up, and could not escape, and it was in the middle of the night) and all of the aggravating factors for the thief (the area was well-secured, signed and alarmed, they could not have entered by mistake, and it was in the middle of the night).

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Post by mellavora »

closewith wrote: post #74
throw__away7391 wrote: post #17

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All other issues aside, even assuming you can get the proper permissions, bringing guns into foreign ports is a major hassle and involves significant legal paperwork. Companies that provide armed security for cargo ships for example will keep the weapons on a boat at sea in international waters, transfer them to the cargo ship at the beginning of their security detail, then take them off with another boat before the…

During the height of the piracy in East Africa, seaborne armouries were used to distribute weapons which were thrown overboard before entering territorial waters, as it was cheaper than collecting them. I also think some (almost certainly American) people underestimate how big an issue importing a firearm or possession of an unlicensed firearm can be in most of the world. It’s either many months of paperwork and almo…

Also, the difficulty of bringing a gun back into the US if you take it out of the US.

Re: Fake Dog for Home Security

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Post by exolymph »

kube-system wrote: post #188
mauvehaus wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My former neighbor's father owned a junkyard with a fairly mean junkyard dog. Said dog did its job with a would-be thief, and the local government made them exterminate the dog. Apparently the logic behind that decision included the argument that the fact that they posted a "beware of dog" sign indicated that they knew the dog was dangerous (duh, that's sort of the point) and therefore shouldn't be given further chan…

Obviously people have guard dogs to guard things. But dangerous dogs who attack strangers don’t ask questions. If they’ll bite a strange thief, they’ll bite other strangers without bad motives. Dogs are smart, but they don’t understand “Hi I’m your new mailman”, etc.

Mailboxes are typically outside of the fenced area where the dog is. Stay off my property and you won't have issues, is the point.
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