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Why switch to XFCE? Can't you just install Gnome?
Most people dislike Gnome 3 as much as Unity.
Not nearly as much, from what I've seen.
Linux Mint: The new Ubuntu?
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Re: Linux Mint: The new Ubuntu?
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Why switch to XFCE? Can't you just install Gnome?
> And best of all, it's not going to pull the UI rug out from under you at a moment's notice.
I am capable of installing and uninstalling packages with apt-get, so I am not heavily dependent on Ubuntu to determine the UI for me. And I have no problem changing UIs (I used to use Enlightenment from DR13 or so)
So when a default changes away from something designed to look like Windows XP, I do not get emotionally scarred. I gather this is unusual, however, and Ubuntu's user base consists mostly of people who are terrified of package managers and can't abide anything except an XP ripoff GUI.
Maybe someone should start a new distribution which is premised on providing Ubuntu 8.04 in perpetuity.
Re: Linux Mint: The new Ubuntu?
#43"The desktop seems crowded, and yet on a large monitor there’s so much real estate to get to that left menu that it’s a chore; multi-monitor just never felt right either. To make matters worse, Canonical seemed to ignore all protest, which made users feel alienated and not cared about."
When I use OS X, I do miss the NeXTSTEP menu bar. I do wonder how much research is going into large screen UIs these days. It seems like we need someone to concentrate on the workstation again.
Re: Linux Mint: The new Ubuntu?
#44I use awesome wm on my debian laptop, but I prefer Unity and Gnome Shell to the old gnome 2 or kde or xfce. They are really starting to come together as coherent interfaces instead of having mismatched UIs.
Some tweaking tools are around anyway and more will come with time. Gnome shell extensions are pretty good and they'll mature with time.
Re: Linux Mint: The new Ubuntu?
#45Canonical is genuinely trying to make linux the most user friendly it's ever been and make it ready for real mass adoption. It's not going to be easy and not everyone is going to like every change but you can't get so down on them for trying so hard. Saying the solution is to go backwards is the same as telling canonical to just stop trying all together. There's no point in stagnating and sticking with gnome. New use…
New users aren't going to switch to ubuntu because there's a start(or applications) menu.
Perhaps, but one of the traditional excuses new users have given for not switching, or switching back after trying, is that Linux desktops are too different, even though they've traditionally not been all that different. Creating something unique, compared to tools users have used in the past, like Windows, isn't going to make people immediately productive. And being immediately productive is how the desktop UI/UX enters the background and becomes a facilitator rather than something that the user struggles with.
Re: Linux Mint: The new Ubuntu?
#46Canonical is genuinely trying to make linux the most user friendly it's ever been and make it ready for real mass adoption. It's not going to be easy and not everyone is going to like every change but you can't get so down on them for trying so hard. Saying the solution is to go backwards is the same as telling canonical to just stop trying all together. There's no point in stagnating and sticking with gnome. New use…
All that being said; you can install gnome in ubuntu 11.10. You don't have to use unity.
Or, even more simply, we can install Mint. :)
Re: Linux Mint: The new Ubuntu?
#47Linux Mint has put Google custom search into the distribution in order to raise revenue. It's in firefox both from the address bar, the search box, and in the quick search from the 'start' menu. It's very annoying, and it isn't just a matter of opting out. Mint doesn't support an easy way to remove it from all three locations without getting technical. I used mint for a couple of months, the custom search engine came…
Also, this is absolutely unacceptable: Our goal is to give users a good search experience while funding ourselves by receiving a share of this income. Search engines who do not share the income generated by our users, are removed from Linux Mint and might get their ads blocked. http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1851
> Search engines who do not share the income generated by our users, are removed from Linux Mint and might get their ads blocked.
Wow, that is insane... With that sort of mentality, the next logical step is to gain market monopoly, pre-install a version of adblock with custom filters, and start charging the entire Internet to show ads.
Re: Linux Mint: The new Ubuntu?
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Sure on Ubuntu 11.10 I installed Gnome 2.2 (see below comment for correction) as follows. This may not be possible on the next Ubuntu release. That's why I am migrating to Mint. How to install gnome-classic on Ubuntu 11.10 # apt-get install gnome-session-fallback # cd /etc/lightdm # gedit lightdm.conf change user-session=gnome-classic hold down the alt key when right clicking the menu bar to add frequency and system…
> This may not be possible on the next Ubuntu release. What, are they gonna stop making it based on Linux and move to something that can't run Gnome?
Gnome fallback is supposed to be a temporary feature of Ubuntu. Sorry - I can't easily find where I read that.
Re: Linux Mint: The new Ubuntu?
#49> it’s Ubuntu without someone else telling you what to do or taking the OS into a direction that you’re unwilling to follow Debian, anyone?
Or Fedora. Or if you like tweaking things, Arch or Gentoo. Or to become more knowledgeable, a BSD.
I think part of what is happening here is that some number of people who got started in Ubuntu, as their first non-Windows OS, take it for granted (thus get outraged at change) but now feel the 'growing pains' of someone who wants to get more technical. Since their heads aren't where they were when they started with Ubuntu, it isn't as suitable for them any more.
Re: Linux Mint: The new Ubuntu?
#50Canonical is genuinely trying to make linux the most user friendly it's ever been and make it ready for real mass adoption. It's not going to be easy and not everyone is going to like every change but you can't get so down on them for trying so hard. Saying the solution is to go backwards is the same as telling canonical to just stop trying all together. There's no point in stagnating and sticking with gnome. New use…
All that being said; you can install gnome in ubuntu 11.10. You don't have to use unity. Or, even more simply, we can install Mint. :)
I felt that Mint's defaults were the problem rather than the solution, but personal tastes do vary.
Is it really that hard to run 'sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop'? Am I missing something here?