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Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan was early epicenter of the Covid-19 pandemic

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I wonder how many people who are seemingly willing to believe the self-serving CCP party-line on this, would be just as believing of the owners of a nuclear power plant in their town, once the drinking water became radioactive, claiming "it didn't come from the plant, someone else down the street must have done it" - that is just about as believable as this.

That is exactly what pfas manufacturers like 3M and others are doing to gaslight residents of towns all over America, right now

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This was known for two years. Markets are breeding grounds for zoonotic diseases. They often even jump from human to animal and back. The real question is--how did the virus get to the live market? The study accurately says, "While there is insufficient evidence to define upstream events, and exact circumstances remain obscure, our analyses indicate that the emergence of SARS-CoV-2 occurred via the live wildlife trad…

Can't world leaders put pressure on china to clean up these wild life markets? Like better health practices and what not?

They grow garlic with sewer water and the air is polluted because they're cranking out everything the world buys in suicide netted factories. China is a developing country, do you think government officials are going to go all around regulating wild life markets along with every other threat? They have the environmental and mental health concern of 1960's America.

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Conspiracy theories aside, Worebey's Science paper is not unanimously well received by the scientific community, and the data analysis was shown to be partly flawed. Here's a discussion on inference pointing to references and sources that argue against the results of the paper: https://inference-review.com/article/thunder-out-of-china It also raises eyebrows the fact that no animal has ever been found to be positive…

Are you sure COVID has never been documented in animals? I seem to remember reading about cases where entire farm populations of minks were being killed. Perhaps you mean infection from an animal host to human?

Even that's wrong: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01792-y

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I wonder how many people who are seemingly willing to believe the self-serving CCP party-line on this, would be just as believing of the owners of a nuclear power plant in their town, once the drinking water became radioactive, claiming "it didn't come from the plant, someone else down the street must have done it" - that is just about as believable as this.

Maybe it was somebody in the flea market selling scrapped smoke detectors. Possible... but not my first guess. But it's worth keeping in mind that sometimes the most obvious answer is not the correct one. In 1984: "During routine monitoring at a Pennsylvania nuclear power plant, a worker was found to be contaminated with radioactivity. A high concentration of radon in his home was subsequently identified as responsib…

For anyone who, like me, was curious about this, the worker's name was Stanley Watras. There's more on him on JSTOR if you want to read up: https://www.jstor.org/stable/44534629

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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None of the fines were for data falsification. Now we know not to trust albatross13.

> he thinks none of these lawsuits contained data falsification claims https://violationtracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/pfizer

> he thinks these whistleblowers and the BMJ are liars https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635

Now we know not to trust lern_too_spel :)

Re: Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan was early epicenter of the Covid-19 pandemic

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This was known for two years. Markets are breeding grounds for zoonotic diseases. They often even jump from human to animal and back. The real question is--how did the virus get to the live market? The study accurately says, "While there is insufficient evidence to define upstream events, and exact circumstances remain obscure, our analyses indicate that the emergence of SARS-CoV-2 occurred via the live wildlife trad…

Can't world leaders put pressure on china to clean up these wild life markets? Like better health practices and what not?

Why aren't we asking this question since the beginning of the pandemic?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vaccines are drugs that trigger immune system response. Always have been. If you're referring to the CDC changing its layperson definition on https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm , its old definition was wrong and didn't include flu vaccines, among many others.

I like how in their minds, changing the copy on a website is "changing the definition of a vaccine" and some deep dark conspiracy theory as if it's some binding legal framework and not a public comms platform.

Slightly off topic. But what do you think of the "definition of recession"[1] debacle that is currently going on? Do you think this is similar to "changing the definition of a vaccine" that you mentioned?

[1] https://www.google.com/search?q=definition+of+recession&sour...

Re: Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan was early epicenter of the Covid-19 pandemic

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I wonder how many people who are seemingly willing to believe the self-serving CCP party-line on this, would be just as believing of the owners of a nuclear power plant in their town, once the drinking water became radioactive, claiming "it didn't come from the plant, someone else down the street must have done it" - that is just about as believable as this.

Hypothetically speaking, if it were a lab-leak and if it were a malicious lab tech or an that was mad at the world or compromised by a political actor, they could have dumped/micronize sprayed a vial [1] into the food market which would make the statement not entirely false. This is of course a lazy theory and would be nearly impossible to test out.

[1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksrWmPMZGiY [video, gets NSFW around 2:30]

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post #61
post #36

I wonder how many people who are seemingly willing to believe the self-serving CCP party-line on this, would be just as believing of the owners of a nuclear power plant in their town, once the drinking water became radioactive, claiming "it didn't come from the plant, someone else down the street must have done it" - that is just about as believable as this.

That is exactly what pfas manufacturers like 3M and others are doing to gaslight residents of towns all over America, right now

Not just America. The globe. There was a link posted here a couple of weeks ago about a European 3M plant and its PFAS problems.

Re: Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan was early epicenter of the Covid-19 pandemic

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This was known for two years. Markets are breeding grounds for zoonotic diseases. They often even jump from human to animal and back. The real question is--how did the virus get to the live market? The study accurately says, "While there is insufficient evidence to define upstream events, and exact circumstances remain obscure, our analyses indicate that the emergence of SARS-CoV-2 occurred via the live wildlife trad…

Can't world leaders put pressure on china to clean up these wild life markets? Like better health practices and what not?

wildlife markets were an idea from Mao, because what else are you going to do when you have a population of hundreds of millions that are dying of starvation after colonial expansion and civil war?

But even if it had been intended as a stop gap, at this point its large industry. So if you wanted to "clean up" as in, "end" the wild meat market trade, you'd be ending a large, growing industry, that brings money and food to poor parts of the country that can't afford other foods. Additionally, you'd be crushing an industry that is actively bringing new foods to market that aren't available in other countries, but for which China may one day be the primary agricultural provider.

Not an easy ask for any country to do, let alone a developing one.

If you're asking for better regulation of these markets, then I am sure China will do so over time. But authoritarian countries will never be able to self regulate to the degree a rule-of-law country does. Authoritarianism breeds a "if you're not cheating, you're not trying" mentality that undermines regulatory attempts.

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