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> The lab leak is more plausible > you cannot claim one is more probable Am I missing something here?
Nope - HN is one of the worst 'smart' places on the internet for Covid discussion. Every single thread immediately devolves into completely ascientific conspiracy ranting.
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None of the fines were for data falsification. Now we know not to trust albatross13.
the inference being here that companies paying fines at this level are completely above board and trustworthy?
I wonder how many people who are seemingly willing to believe the self-serving CCP party-line on this, would be just as believing of the owners of a nuclear power plant in their town, once the drinking water became radioactive, claiming "it didn't come from the plant, someone else down the street must have done it" - that is just about as believable as this.
In 1984: "During routine monitoring at a Pennsylvania nuclear power plant, a worker was found to be contaminated with radioactivity. A high concentration of radon in his home was subsequently identified as responsible."
This was known for two years. Markets are breeding grounds for zoonotic diseases. They often even jump from human to animal and back. The real question is--how did the virus get to the live market? The study accurately says, "While there is insufficient evidence to define upstream events, and exact circumstances remain obscure, our analyses indicate that the emergence of SARS-CoV-2 occurred via the live wildlife trad…
Can't world leaders put pressure on china to clean up these wild life markets? Like better health practices and what not?
AFAIK those markets are out-right banned already.
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This is also not limited to just COVID discussion either. Most things that aren't somehow related to day-to-day software development devolve into unsubstantiated, or ill-informed, "ranting." It's a source of constant disappointment.
> Most things that aren't somehow related to day-to-day software development And especially the things that are . That's what makes HN special.
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Nope - HN is one of the worst 'smart' places on the internet for Covid discussion. Every single thread immediately devolves into completely ascientific conspiracy ranting.
Labeling something as 'conspiracy ranting' is convenient low-brow tactic to dismiss a supported point of view without consideration. This is also a pattern on HN.
I don't believe this to be true. I consider the likelyhood that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was the cause of this to be much higher than that the seafood market in wuhan was the cause and there's no reason to trust any media or NGO to be truthful in that regard.
The two are not mutually exclusive. For example, some "theories" say that a WIV employee took animals that had been used in experiments, and sold them at the market. I'm not suggesting this is actually what happened, just that there's plenty of room for involvement from both of these entities (or, perhaps, neither).
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Vaccines are drugs that trigger immune system response. Always have been. If you're referring to the CDC changing its layperson definition on https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm , its old definition was wrong and didn't include flu vaccines, among many others.
> Vaccines are drugs that trigger immune system response. Always have been Not really drugs per se, but at 50k feet yes that's true (but no entirely accurate). However, the mRNA technology is new, different from traditional vaccines, and effectively untested. Untested until Covid. This isn't a judgement or a knock. Just a fact.
It wasn't enough testing, and a large scale test wasn't economically viable. But they also weren't completely untested. (And guess what the world spent 6 months doing at some high death rate times? Yep, large scale testing them.)