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Re: Just got this notice from my bank: No more Firefox

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Post by foepys »

matthewmacleod wrote: post #69
foepys wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In today's webbrowser landscape Safari is the one lagging behind. Firefox is doing very well in regards to implementing web standards while Safari doesn't implement enough to be called up to date or modern.

This is not really true, for what it's worth. The latest releases of all browsers are fairly comparable; Chrome is a bit ahead, and Safari and Firefox mostly trade off against each other: https://caniuse.com/?compare=chrome+103,safari+15.5,firefox+...

Some of those are pretty major, while others are nice to have, and some others are privacy nightmares and Firefox not implementing them is deliberate, like the battery and gyroscope APIs.

Safari doesn't support CSS subgrids, AV1, Push API, HTTP/3, and regex lookbehind.

Except for Push API and video codecs, I see those as major flaws holding back the web.

Firefox can do better at some CSS functionality, with that I can agree.

Re: Just got this notice from my bank: No more Firefox

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Post by squarefoot »

KingOfCoders wrote: post #55

As a 30y FF user I wish Mozilla would focus on innovation and building the very best browser to get back market share.

Not possible. Google owns the network and wins hands down for being able to advertise Chrome wherever and whenever they want, while Mozilla is forced to buy ads. Being better than Chrome is not enough anymore.

Re: Just got this notice from my bank: No more Firefox

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Post by squarefoot »

altilunium wrote: post #33

Chromium-based engine : Chromium, Chrome, Brave, Opera, Vivaldi, Edge, Naver Whale. Firefox-based engine : Firefox, GNU Icecat. Firefox is slowly becoming the pariah of web browser.

> Firefox-based engine : Firefox, GNU Icecat.

Plus many others: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Web_browsers_based_on...

Re: Just got this notice from my bank: No more Firefox

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Post by kbelder »

handoflixue wrote: post #36
fbrehwerha wrote: post #18

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This argument seems bizarre to me considering the volumes of money banks work with and the lack of programmers who only use banks that take Firefox. I'm not sure what you're expecting, that banks are just doing it to spite Mozilla?

I really don't believe the return-on-investment for a major bank to support Firefox is negative. Quick Google napkin math says a customer is worth $500/year, and a decent programmer is easily available for $50/hour. You only need to stop one (1) customer from leaving for every day of programming this costs. This thread is at +89 and has 32 comments, so it's probably worth at least a programmer-month. If you can't mak…

Yep, but the people making the 'technical' decision to support Firefox only see the gains from reducing the labor.

The loss from not supporting Firefox (which I agree, is probably more than the savings) will show up on somebody else's balance sheet. IT saves a bit of money by siphoning indirectly out of Customer Retention, and the details get lost in the noise. It's the curse of large organizations.

Re: Just got this notice from my bank: No more Firefox

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Post by kbelder »

archerx wrote: post #38
satellite2 wrote: post #35

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Falling market share in a growing market doesn't necessarily mean falling total usage. Additionally, the market FF serves this days is educated, rich and ahead of the curve. Not a market you necessarily want to ignore.

> the market FF serves this days is educated, rich and ahead of the curve. That’s some weird projection that made me laugh. I used to use firefox everyday until it became too annoying and I moved on to another browser and never looked back. Firefox used to be great but those days are long gone.

Generally demographic makeup of FF traffic is more affluent than Chrome, similar to Safari. IE is closer to Chrome.

It can vary by the field or nature of the site, of course.

Re: Just got this notice from my bank: No more Firefox

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Post by Blasters »

LinuxBender wrote: post #70
Blasters wrote: post #57

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Brave has more privacy feature out of the box . LibreWolf which is Firefox with changed settings is superior. besides the site only shows if a privacy feature is present not how good it is.

Please correct me if I am wrong, have not followed LibreWolf for a while. I did try it out for a bit. I believe they are just implementing some facets of the custom user.js [1] and custom policy files and then changing where cache files are stored. I was not a fan of their cache location changes as I had to write custom rules in bleachbit [2] to vacuum/compress/clean database files created by LibreWolf. In a weird wa…

it has changed user.js with build in ublockO and removed bloat like pocket.

there is no point in manually deleting cache since it's wiped when closed (you can also change that in Firefox)

it is better Firefox

Re: Just got this notice from my bank: No more Firefox

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Post by Blasters »

wooque wrote: post #64
Blasters wrote: post #57

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Brave has more privacy feature out of the box . LibreWolf which is Firefox with changed settings is superior. besides the site only shows if a privacy feature is present not how good it is.

LibreWolf is more slower than even Firefox. Getting 10% better privacy for half the performance and possible incompatibilities on the web is not worth it.

no, also just disable JS and all sites will run faster than they ever could

Re: Just got this notice from my bank: No more Firefox

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Post by LinuxBender »

Blasters wrote: post #76
LinuxBender wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please correct me if I am wrong, have not followed LibreWolf for a while. I did try it out for a bit. I believe they are just implementing some facets of the custom user.js [1] and custom policy files and then changing where cache files are stored. I was not a fan of their cache location changes as I had to write custom rules in bleachbit [2] to vacuum/compress/clean database files created by LibreWolf. In a weird wa…

it has changed user.js with build in ublockO and removed bloat like pocket. there is no point in manually deleting cache since it's wiped when closed (you can also change that in Firefox) it is better Firefox

there is no point in manually deleting cache since it's wiped when closed

I used to think this as well but bleachbit shows me every time I close my browser there is much to be cleaned. I launch firefox using firejail and then when firejail exits it calls bleachbit. Even if I use "History" -> "Clear recent history" and select "Everything" there is still a lot of crud to remove. Try it out if you have some spare time.

There's even a few things that bleachbit misses by default such as moz_historyvisits in places.sqlite and files in the datareporting directory that get created even if ff is told not to create them.

Re: Just got this notice from my bank: No more Firefox

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Post by Blasters »

LinuxBender wrote: post #78
Blasters wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it has changed user.js with build in ublockO and removed bloat like pocket. there is no point in manually deleting cache since it's wiped when closed (you can also change that in Firefox) it is better Firefox

there is no point in manually deleting cache since it's wiped when closed I used to think this as well but bleachbit shows me every time I close my browser there is much to be cleaned. I launch firefox using firejail and then when firejail exits it calls bleachbit. Even if I use "History" -> "Clear recent history" and select "Everything" there is still a lot of crud to remove. Try it out if you have some spare time.…

those are cache from the browser itself = not relevant for websites. just checked myself and they are always the same 3 files for every user with the same hash.

bugzilla.Mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1489817

Tor browser uses the same system btw

Re: Just got this notice from my bank: No more Firefox

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Post by blooalien »

mikewave wrote: post #19
ratsmack wrote: post #3

My bank (B of A) started complaining about Debian's firefox-esr being too old and out of date, so I loaded the bleeding edge version just to access my bank account, but use the esr version for general browsing.

I for one am glad to run a version that Eric S. Raymond has officially blessed.

Joking or not, enjoy your upvote for givin' me a good giggle when I sorely needed it. :)
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