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Ask HN: Is there a bubble in the tech market? Is it about to explode?

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So far it appears that most of the layoffs are outside engineering. It's probably that the other salaries in the org are overinflated if anything in contrast to the value they generate for the organization. I anticipate it being a bad time for middle managers with no skills outside of that.

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I live in a European country and our salaries will not go down nor do I expect any layoffs. Your question is very US/Silicon Valley centric.

Seconded, actually we just got a 2 digit raise this month on our base salary, and on top of a massive hiring target for 2022.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a bubble in the tech market? Is it about to explode?

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Curious what a typical top 10% contracting rate in London is?

I spent 8yrs working as a contractor in London for rates between £600 - £950pd. Architecture roles - which to some companies meant spending time coding (yay) and to other companies spending time on non-coding activities; aligning teams, strategy, planning, managing stakeholders, slide decks etc...

sorry, I'm not familiar with the terminology: in £600 - £950pd, "pd" means per day?

For what duration are these contracts usually agreed upon?

Re: Ask HN: Is there a bubble in the tech market? Is it about to explode?

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Bubbles are usually caused because people think to sell to a greater fool down the road and at some point there are not enough fools to sustain the upward price momentum. At some point all the fools want to be out and the price collapses. Crypto going from a 3 trillion market cap to 1 Trillion in the space of a few weeks is a great example of that.

Technology stocks are mostly different with the exception of some startups that are valued based on user growth instead of revenue growth. Users are not customers though, and customers are the only real sustainable source of finance.

There are a lot of technology firms now that are financed by their customers so even if there is a full stock market meltdown in tech stocks, you shouldn't be afraid of unemployment but salaries will adjust to the reduced competition from VC-funded startups.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a bubble in the tech market? Is it about to explode?

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Personally, I think that there's definitely a correction going on, but it's far from explosion on the scale of a dotcom crash. "Tech" is not a separate industry now, but a set of technologies and professions that are used in a wide array of different industries. Companies in food, tourism, real estate and wherever else are hiring software engineers, dev ops and data analysts and are building "tech". And this tech tha…

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Re: Ask HN: Is there a bubble in the tech market? Is it about to explode?

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I'm not sure that "explode" is the right word for what's happening, but where I live we went from "we'll double our teams in 2022" to "we stopped hiring" to "we're laying off x% of our staff" in under 7 months. I personally love it, too many YouTube self-made engineers on the market.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a bubble in the tech market? Is it about to explode?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe is in for a very long decline. There is no consumer generation (35-45 y/o) left in Europe, and the US is about to block Europe from exporting their excess production to the last standing consumer generation on the planet.

Which one?

The US is threatened by the rise of both China and India. India seems to be quite capable of sabotaging itself however.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a bubble in the tech market? Is it about to explode?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I spent 8yrs working as a contractor in London for rates between £600 - £950pd. Architecture roles - which to some companies meant spending time coding (yay) and to other companies spending time on non-coding activities; aligning teams, strategy, planning, managing stakeholders, slide decks etc...

sorry, I'm not familiar with the terminology: in £600 - £950pd, "pd" means per day? For what duration are these contracts usually agreed upon?

Usually all start with 6 months and options to extend. Market is the same in Asia Pacific. I’ve yet to work with a client who couldn’t find something for me to do after, they all want to renew unless they’re axing heads across the board.

In which case they get me to work remotely and bill directly to the project, whilst funnelling communications through the project manager or tech lead. That way regular employees don’t see me, and they still get the work done.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a bubble in the tech market? Is it about to explode?

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Previously Londoner for ~8 years here. I can confirm the six month unfilled position period has been going on for at least a few years now. If anything else, and at least on the high(ish) end of skill and seniority there's an artificial reverse bubble that I can only attribute to the almost pathological and almost allergic insistence of UK employers to have as few well paid employees as possible.

Hmm - I've moved from London to Helsinki. I've been the hiring manager for several (Software Engineer) positions in Finland and it's been quite interesting. The supply of CVs for any position we open there for mid/senior positions is a trickle compared to the UK, and it's not really been like they're all perfectly qualified, there's a lot of 'noise' too. We let go of any geographical constraint, as long as you're wil…

All the UK folks I know fled to the EU and work on visas. Germany, France, Norway, Denmark. Remote roles. All the multinationals who moved IT out of UK after Brexit..

UK just can’t compete. EU is bigger, and have more money.

This isn’t even the beginning of pain for Brexit.

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