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Post by fennecfoxy »

janfoeh wrote: post #423
b112 wrote: post #309

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Can you imagine if brick-and-mortar businesses tried to do this? You go out for a Big Mac Your point is 100% valid, so don't consider this a disagreement. It is merely that McDonalds has changed, and it annoys me. I went to the one on El Camino near Oregon, and waited 7 minutes to have my order taken, and 14 minutes more for my food. Why? Doordash, and others. https://nypost.com/2022/02/14/doordash-to-penalize-mcdona…

I'm in Germany, and I've always liked McDonalds. I enjoyed eating there maybe a handful of times a year, even when doing so was considered "uncouth" by the majority of the people I know. No more. Why? Because they've stopped selling burgers. They've switched almost all of their restaurants to a "made to order" model, wherein they assemble your order on demand from warming trays, instead of producing them ahead and st…

Made for you MFY has been around at Macca's for a long, long time. It's not a recent change.

It was around long before all of the delivery service apps, and before smartphones were a huge thing, even.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by c12 »

jseliger wrote: post #58
liberia wrote: post #28

All the platforms have their own TikTok style mechanism now. YouTube has Shorts, Facebook has its Reels feature which is tightly integrated with Instagram and you need an Instagram account to engage with Reels on Facebook, which is a bit of a growth hacker dark pattern. For now, Reels is not interspersed with ADs which is refreshing, but that could all change. The whole vertical video craze is a weird one, and one I’…

I want the slow web back Here you go: https://jakeseliger.com/ . Scroll through and note the most interesting or useful venues. Then, there are an array of RSS readers available; I've been using NetNewsWire but think that Feedly seems to be the most common. The "slow web" never left.

Ha, I found your website late last year and eventually started publishing lists of things I had found interesting in a per week, week in review: https://photogabble.co.uk/topic/week-in-review/

The "slow web" never left it just became more underground as the flashy algorithms paved over it in favour of turning visitors into media consumption addicts then into a product to sell to advertisers.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by fennecfoxy »

DominikPeters wrote: post #368
b112 wrote: post #309

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Can you imagine if brick-and-mortar businesses tried to do this? You go out for a Big Mac Your point is 100% valid, so don't consider this a disagreement. It is merely that McDonalds has changed, and it annoys me. I went to the one on El Camino near Oregon, and waited 7 minutes to have my order taken, and 14 minutes more for my food. Why? Doordash, and others. https://nypost.com/2022/02/14/doordash-to-penalize-mcdona…

A more important reason that McDonald's has become slow is that they've switched to just-in-time assembly of burgers. They used to have an inventory of burgers, and for most orders, you ordered and the person taking your payments immediately assembled your order. Now there is no buffer, and everything is made fresh.

They switched to MFY instead of pre-made stuff (in New Zealand at least) around 2002-2005 or so? It's been like that a long time.

The reason for the slowdown is purely just the delivery apps. Staff doing payments & cooking/assembly are usually different people unless it's like 3am on a weekday.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by agumonkey »

SrslyJosh wrote: post #6

Nobody hates Facebook users more than Facebook, I guess. :-/ I've tried to type out several pithy comments, but the bottom line (to me) is that Facebook just doesn't respect its users or care about their needs. Can you imagine if brick-and-mortar businesses tried to do this? You go out for a Big Mac, but it's not on the menu anymore because Taco Bell had a few really good quarters, so McDonald's decided to pivot to t…

I have a feeling that 1) this is a global phenomenon 2) it's due to computing lightness (it costs few energy to change programs and websites compared to physical things).

Google keeps swinging secondary apps in and out of existence, social networks come and go every 5 years. It's low energy high frequency, low integration and unstable.

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Post by mcintyre1994 »

hackernewds wrote: post #432
xwdv wrote: post #74

It’s crazy to think the social media era may finally be ending. There’s really no viable platform anymore where you can just go passively keep up with what friends and acquaintances are doing. Everything is about feeding you content you didn’t ask for but may be targeted enough to catch your attention. And for what? To show you some ads here and there? To collect data that can be used to… sell more ads and products?…

The answer to the one platform that resisted all temptations and did this well: Twitter. The #metoo #blacklivesmatters and not to mention numerous international protests and movements sprouted there. As both cause and effect, Twitter has missed the capitalistic financial success of similarly sized and engaged companies.

Twitter does seem to be replacing most of their feed with random posts from people you don't follow, poorly categorised by AI into topics they incorrectly think you're interested in though.

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Post by sprkwd »

duckmysick wrote: post #337
me_again wrote: post #218

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Apple would sell exactly one kind of burger, which is great but costs $20. The wrapper is rose gold or space grey. Only Apple-certified condiments can be applied to the burgers, and a packet of ketchup is $5. Each year the faithful queue outside for the privilege of obtaining the latest burger.

I love reading those. That being said, I can make a pretty damn good burger myself. Sadly, can't say the same about Google/Apple/Microsoft products.

Found the Linux burger.

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Post by sylens »

naravara wrote: post #41
groffee wrote: post #35

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Facebook is dying, but not because of TikTok. Facebook is dying because they stopped being Facebook. If they gave what's left of their userbase what they actually wanted (chronological feed, seeing friends posts, not seeing spam, more ways to interact (bring back pets, gifts, superpokes etc)) they'd do ok. It doesn't help that their core code is a steaming pile of bloated dung that doesn't seem to be tested by anyone…

When I started using Facebook it wasn't a newsfeed, it was just a personal homepage with a photo album and a bulletin board attached. I'd love to have something like that again that everyone uses, but everything is about goosing the influencer economy now rather than letting me socialize.

I remember the introduction of the News Feed and how creepy and invasive it felt at the time. Here’s all the interactions you previously had to look for explicitly, now pushed in front of you. It was a harbinger of things to come.

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Post by threeseed »

feanaro wrote: post #325
threeseed wrote: post #291

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> just simply want to see what their friends are up to and posting People keep saying this is what people want. Show me the numbers that it's true. Because when Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, Tiktok, Youtube etc. all move to this model and stick with it the evidence is clear that it's not want people want.

Did you ignore the OP's long tail mention on purpose? It may very well be not the majority wants, so we cannot be talking about wishes of any singular "people". And for this reason, this strategy may no be suitable for "growth". But as a solid, sustainable profit source? Are you claiming that only a marginal number of people want this, or what?

Facebook's ARPU and overall revenue has been continuing to increase even last quarter.

So clearly they know a little bit about what is a solid, sustainable profit source.

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Post by threeseed »

ARandomerDude wrote: post #310
threeseed wrote: post #288

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It's a quarter where we are seeing an inflation explosion, COVID and international uncertainty which is causing recessionary behaviour. Companies across the IT sector are cutting jobs and revising forecasts either because of actual or expected drop in revenue. Can't think anyone serious would look to derive any meaning from a single data point in this environment. For all we know the entire DAU drop could be from Ukr…

> inflation explosion, COVID and international uncertainty...recessionary behaviour...cutting jobs and revising forecasts...drop in revenue. Literally none of these things account for people not logging in to FB. In fact, some (all?) of those sound like the sorts of things that would drive engagement among millions of bored and frustrated people.

Inflation = less purchasing power = less effective discretionary income.

That means less to spend on new phones, data plans etc. And more time spent at work.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by rvz »

Banana699 wrote: post #382
rvz wrote: post #27

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Meta already knew Facebook would sink someday. As they have Instagram, they don't care and Meta will be around for another 10 years to extract more from Instagram and their other unused platforms. I'd expect the hype and growth around TikTok to peak once their parent company IPOs, as more corporations, advertisers, mainstream media accounts, move in to the platform to ruin it just like they did with the rest of the o…

>Facebook would sink someday That day is very far into the future (in tech terms). 1.96 billion users are a whole fucking lot of a base to bleed. I would bet actual money that they won't dip below 1 billion by 2035, and that they would be still there (in whatever profitable form) with the same trademak in 2050.

And that explains why they have another separate 1 billion+ monthly active users on Instagram?

If they didn't think their main product would decline or get unpopular soon, why would they bet on spending $1B on buying Instagram before anyone else and copy the greatest hits and main features found in other competitors (Stories, Disappearing posts, etc) directly into Instagram first?

Without Instagram, Facebook would likely have sunk much faster and I already said they will be around for 10+ years.

So the death of Meta Platforms has been greatly exaggerated.

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