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Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by wraptile »

liberia wrote: post #28

All the platforms have their own TikTok style mechanism now. YouTube has Shorts, Facebook has its Reels feature which is tightly integrated with Instagram and you need an Instagram account to engage with Reels on Facebook, which is a bit of a growth hacker dark pattern. For now, Reels is not interspersed with ADs which is refreshing, but that could all change. The whole vertical video craze is a weird one, and one I’…

> Reels is not interspersed with ADs which is refreshing, but that could all change.

I feel like it's the opposite. Everything on Reels is either a meme, scam or an ad (be it influencer ad or a blatant one). My theory why Youtube shorts and Instagram Reels turn out this way is that they are attached to an existing network with developed spam/influence markets where's TikTok had to reinvent in and in the progress the culture managed to reduce the obcenity of it. Though, TikTok is getting worse by the day as these markets develop.

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Post by mjhagen »

klodolph wrote: post #199
owlninja wrote: post #136

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Anecdotally I quit Facebook in 2016 but of my friends and family that still use it, I would say most simply use it for marketplace. They may still view the updates that people still post to see what's going on but it doesn't seem to be near as about keeping in touch (I'm in the US).

As far as I can tell, marketplace has displaced Craigslist. It's still low-friction and local, but a bit more trustworthy.

And this is was what people warned us about when FB became the new single destination. It became its own walled off version of the web.

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Post by prox »

petesergeant wrote: post #275
me_again wrote: post #218

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Apple would sell exactly one kind of burger, which is great but costs $20. The wrapper is rose gold or space grey. Only Apple-certified condiments can be applied to the burgers, and a packet of ketchup is $5. Each year the faithful queue outside for the privilege of obtaining the latest burger.

and more and more people would simply accept that great burgers cost $20 and come from Apple if you want a decent one. While there are some other burgers that sound great at a lower price point, they occasionally give you e-coli. Mediocre burgers at a low price are still widely available.

All mediocre burgers are also sponsored by local companies who pay to have their logo on the wraps and their commercials on the wall in the restaurant.

Some new people try to make fresh burgers and get funding, only to be bought up by Mediocre Ads Burger and killed a year later.

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Post by zeofig »

civilized wrote: post #181
xwdv wrote: post #74

It’s crazy to think the social media era may finally be ending. There’s really no viable platform anymore where you can just go passively keep up with what friends and acquaintances are doing. Everything is about feeding you content you didn’t ask for but may be targeted enough to catch your attention. And for what? To show you some ads here and there? To collect data that can be used to… sell more ads and products?…

> …unless perhaps… we build a social network on the blockchain Ah yes, the one thing that would be worse than the status quo.

Ahem... we prefer to call that "progress"

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Post by zdkl »

atq2119 wrote: post #300
dreamcompiler wrote: post #264

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> Facebook just doesn't respect its users or care about their needs. Facebook cares a great deal about its users--advertisers. You and I aren't Facebook's users; we are the ore Facebook has been mining at a cost approaching zero for over a decade and selling at a huge markup to its actual customers. But now the mine is playing out. We no longer cost Facebook zero to mine and the advertisers are beginning to realize t…

> Facebook cares a great deal about its users--advertisers. You're confusing users with customers. The customers are advertisers. The users overwhelmingly aren't.

Well, the only active users I see anymore are engaged in advertising even if not necessarily for profit. (Self) Promotion always was one of the draws of fb.

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Post by duckmysick »

me_again wrote: post #218
hiimshort wrote: post #176

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I've enjoyed the analogy so adding onto it: Google would open up 5 competing, different burger places next to each other and then close them all down a year later, confused that none of them did well enough. All to open a new Taco stand on the other side of town and claim it's got the same great food you liked before (it doesn't).

Apple would sell exactly one kind of burger, which is great but costs $20. The wrapper is rose gold or space grey. Only Apple-certified condiments can be applied to the burgers, and a packet of ketchup is $5. Each year the faithful queue outside for the privilege of obtaining the latest burger.

I love reading those.

That being said, I can make a pretty damn good burger myself. Sadly, can't say the same about Google/Apple/Microsoft products.

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Post by yair99dd »

xwdv wrote: post #282
SoftTalker wrote: post #229

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Then get off the computer and go makes some friends.

There is little to no way to deliberately make friends after age 30. Friends become a much lower priority in adult life. You can meet some people, but they are unlikely to ever ascend to the level of a close friend.

Try this https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/List_of_Hacker_Spaces

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by prox »

AOsborn wrote: post #212
next_xibalba wrote: post #40

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> the bottom line (to me) is that Facebook just doesn't respect its users or care about their needs. Wouldn't a consequence of this be that Facebook would be losing users in drovers? And yet the data seem to disagree. This is a type of take that feels very "inside baseball" and fueled more by the feelings of its proponents than any kind of empiricism.

That's a fair point. I think another perspective is that this is a case of businesses chasing (or being forced to chase) endless 'growth'. Facebook is likely optimising to increase engagement and revenue. But in my humble opinion the Facebook of the early 2000s was close to perfect in terms of use. Obviously leaving the product the same wasn't going to drive that revenue and make the careers of all the employees. I w…

For me Facebook is a bit like ancient Discord. A few companies and hobby groups are on there which I follow.

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Post by paganel »

NonNefarious wrote: post #317
kortilla wrote: post #298

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True, but despite MySpace once being dominant, it’s peak scale was a tiny fraction of where Facebook is now. MySpace was popular for some specific English speaking age groups mainly. Facebook is basically everywhere but China. My parents who still refer to Google Maps as Mapquest are even on Facebook. It will take a pretty big screwup to flush out those types of users (not early adopters).

Your parents are the only ones left on Facebook. As long as that demographic can sustain it, so be it. But nobody under 70 is going to be on there much longer. Actually, red-state cousin-humpers might still be on there a while longer. They have no place else to go, after Trump's predictably shambolic attempt at creating a competitor.

FB is still a thing among the late-30s - early 40s and older than that in some countries in Europe (I'm from Romania myself, in my early 40s), but younger than that there's almost no-one active on FB.

Anyway, good riddance, it pained me to see how most of the national politics was being carried out at a certain moment in time (~2014 - ~2019) almost exclusively on FB, a private network. That wasn't right.

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