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The Green Revolution Is Fueled by 40k Trafficked Congo Child Slaves

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Re: The Green Revolution Is Fueled by 40k Trafficked Congo Child Slaves

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> Did you ever consider that in "sub-replacement" populations they still send poor people down the mines, as that is way cheaper than robots? As long as the poor guy can choose to work something better wages and working conditions will reflect this (or the mine will shut down). See Europe after the black death.

That is what they call a "big if

No. It's not. It's basic supply and demand. You see this every time there's supply side constraints on labor. Usually they're geographic and short lived but big ones sometimes happen too.

Re: The Green Revolution Is Fueled by 40k Trafficked Congo Child Slaves

#52
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Well, you're taking a singular vertical slice. How many plastic widgets and doodads in your house were made by an effective slave in China? What about clothes - from sweatshops in vietnam, bangladesh, etc.? We periodically see sensational stories where workers slip tragic notes into goods, but that's about it. On top of that, what about the animals we've hurt systematically? In the industrial revolution, we rendered…

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Or should we reject outright arguments that seek to manipulate people emotionally?

Re: The Green Revolution Is Fueled by 40k Trafficked Congo Child Slaves

#53

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Ok well, they literally did say "what about..." But generally whataboutism refers to comments that try to deter from the original issue by saying "X does it too so it's alright until they stop too". I didn't read the initial comment that way.

Yes, thus the XYZ part of my comment explaining what issues they were trying to deflect with (those issues aren't even in the same industries) They essentially said "what about... the textile industry, the shipping industry, the farming industry" Okay? Those are issues, we'll discuss those when an article is posted about them. But currently the battery supply chain child slave labor issue is TFA.

The point was not that it's ok for the mines, the point was that there is nothing unique about them, and there isn't much justification for focussing on them. Not to shield them from scrutiny, but to avoid making them into a distraction from child labor and slavery in general.

If you drummed up a big movement to deal with the problem of child slave labor in lithium or cobalt mines, what good have you done for the world or the kids? The same kids are still at the same risk tomorrow as they were yesterday, they just wind up in some other kind of operation, or in the extreme case maybe their only value (to those people) becomes as organ cattle. Great job!

It's a distraction to pick a specific example like that and present it as some kind of unique problem. What specific work they are put to is not the problem, it's the fact that they are enslaved at all.

It's also to say that "the green revolution is fueld by trafficked child labor" is a mischaracterization, because it is not fuelled by child labor, it merely includes child labor.

The cotton industry in the US was fuelled by slaves, because the labor was 99% done by slaves, not merely that there were some slaves.

The green revolution is such a large thing that 40k children are hardly a drop in it.

Re: The Green Revolution Is Fueled by 40k Trafficked Congo Child Slaves

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, thus the XYZ part of my comment explaining what issues they were trying to deflect with (those issues aren't even in the same industries) They essentially said "what about... the textile industry, the shipping industry, the farming industry" Okay? Those are issues, we'll discuss those when an article is posted about them. But currently the battery supply chain child slave labor issue is TFA.

The point was not that it's ok for the mines, the point was that there is nothing unique about them, and there isn't much justification for focussing on them. Not to shield them from scrutiny, but to avoid making them into a distraction from child labor and slavery in general. If you drummed up a big movement to deal with the problem of child slave labor in lithium or cobalt mines, what good have you done for the wor…

Wow. You seem really out of touch with humanity with your zealot goals, watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBGinowoYu4 (use auto-translated subtitles if you don't speak german)

Re: The Green Revolution Is Fueled by 40k Trafficked Congo Child Slaves

#55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point was not that it's ok for the mines, the point was that there is nothing unique about them, and there isn't much justification for focussing on them. Not to shield them from scrutiny, but to avoid making them into a distraction from child labor and slavery in general. If you drummed up a big movement to deal with the problem of child slave labor in lithium or cobalt mines, what good have you done for the wor…

Wow. You seem really out of touch with humanity with your zealot goals, watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBGinowoYu4 (use auto-translated subtitles if you don't speak german)

Name even one of these zealot goals please.

Re: The Green Revolution Is Fueled by 40k Trafficked Congo Child Slaves

#56

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Wow. You seem really out of touch with humanity with your zealot goals, watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBGinowoYu4 (use auto-translated subtitles if you don't speak german)

Name even one of these zealot goals please.

Defending child slavery to further the goal of cheap batteries for one.

The Transatlantic Slave Trade involved more than the slaves in Western colonies harvesting raw materials, generally slavery was not used in the rest of the manufacturing process in Europe.

Just because you outsource slavery of a specific process of production doesn't mean you aren't involved in slave trade.

The solutions are to sanction the country doing it as to not reward their behavior and find another means of production, or label those companies involved as terrorists and rescue those children, or pressure the government to shut it down. Or a combination of those.

If your industry cannot adapt or live without slavery then good riddance.

So far your defenses have been:

> Might as well exploit these children, they'd be tortured anyway so there's no point in discussing this!

> Only one part of the supply chain is fueled by child labor, so it's not that bad

Which is really sad.

Re: The Green Revolution Is Fueled by 40k Trafficked Congo Child Slaves

#57

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come on man, how can you make such a claim without posting a link

Pretty sure they're referring to prison labor, eg. https://www.aclu.org/news/human-rights/captive-labor-exploit...

Also https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/15/us-prison-wo....

But the very fact that it’s not common knowledge is very telling.

Re: The Green Revolution Is Fueled by 40k Trafficked Congo Child Slaves

#58
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Well, you're taking a singular vertical slice. How many plastic widgets and doodads in your house were made by an effective slave in China? What about clothes - from sweatshops in vietnam, bangladesh, etc.? We periodically see sensational stories where workers slip tragic notes into goods, but that's about it. On top of that, what about the animals we've hurt systematically? In the industrial revolution, we rendered…

>How many plastic widgets and doodads in your house were made by an effective slave in China? Or US, which, differently from China, has, in 2022, an entire official slave business, reportedly being an important part of some states' economy. But it's always China that gets mentioned; isn't that strange?

Yeah, I'm always surprised how country with slavery literally enshrined in its constitution is always so critical of the issue. It is like they are all hypocrites and don't focus first fixing their own crimes.

Re: The Green Revolution Is Fueled by 40k Trafficked Congo Child Slaves

#59

If not working in a mine, these children will be working subsistence agriculture, which is equally as back-braking. The underlying problem is an excess of manual labor in Africa, caused by excessive birth rates. Take fertility rates down to sub-replacement like they are in the rest of the world, and mining will just be automated.

> The underlying problem is an excess of manual labor in Africa, In what fucking world holy shit. Good lord, seriously. Labor IS PEOPLE. There is no such thing as an excess person. The underlying problem is an economic system that allows/depends on the exploitation of vulnerable and precarious labor. If you're going to justify this then grow a spine and do it , don't deflect it back on the people being hurt the most…

Excess labour supply doesn't necessarily mean excess people...

Just that there might not be enough resources to meet the needs of population. Such as food and water. Thus purchasers of labour will get away by providing minimum. If there weren't such big excess supply they would need to provide more or provide better conditions.

Re: The Green Revolution Is Fueled by 40k Trafficked Congo Child Slaves

#60

Why should the consumer need to worry about supply chains?

Because of... things like... this?? Or am I misunderstanding and the question is "why should I care about the misery at the other end of my consumption?" Which, I got my reasons and I hope you can find some of your own too.

> why should I care about the misery at the other end of my consumption?

Close. I do care but I think that the Congo's government should care. It just seems like a difficult ask for each consumer to worry about every supply chain they touch. Seems maddening to try.

Perhaps I should care because these governments are corrupt and cannot, or don't want to, protect their people from exploitation? I suppose it doesn't need to be perfect to be worth doing.

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