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Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by mrweasel »

threeseed wrote: post #97
groffee wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook is dying, but not because of TikTok. Facebook is dying because they stopped being Facebook. If they gave what's left of their userbase what they actually wanted (chronological feed, seeing friends posts, not seeing spam, more ways to interact (bring back pets, gifts, superpokes etc)) they'd do ok. It doesn't help that their core code is a steaming pile of bloated dung that doesn't seem to be tested by anyone…

> Facebook is dying because they stopped being Facebook a) No evidence they are dying. All we have is a single quarter's result i.e. statistically meaningless. b) No evidence that staying true to the original Facebook is the best strategy. Unquestionably, Stories has been a popular feature in both Instagram and Facebook ecosystems and perhaps certain features from TikTok will be the same. But there is plenty of evide…

That’s perhaps also the bit that Facebook investors/management ignores. You cannot have over a billion users and expect any significant growth. You also have to accept that any change you do might alianate a small percentage of your existing users.

You may very well be right. Facebook is adjusting their offering to keep a certain segment of users. That will eject another group, or at least reduce their engagement. That’s fine, if it ensures profitability for the next five years.

It’s just interesting to be part of a group of users that aren’t intersting to the social media platforms. Which in a way just confirms that the social media part of Metas business isn’t actually important to them, only the ad revenue that it might bring.

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Post by cpeterso »

Here is Adam Mosseri, "Head of Instagram at Instagram", talking about why Instagram is leaning into Reels videos:

https://twitter.com/mosseri/status/1551890839584088065

He says users are using Reels more, even though they say they don't want Reels. Replies say content creators are reluctantly making Reels because the algorithm favors Reels over regular posts. Ironically, he posted this on Twitter (as a video) because it's a better medium for reaching Instagram users?

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Post by dheera »

SrslyJosh wrote: post #6

Nobody hates Facebook users more than Facebook, I guess. :-/ I've tried to type out several pithy comments, but the bottom line (to me) is that Facebook just doesn't respect its users or care about their needs. Can you imagine if brick-and-mortar businesses tried to do this? You go out for a Big Mac, but it's not on the menu anymore because Taco Bell had a few really good quarters, so McDonald's decided to pivot to t…

> Facebook just doesn't respect its users or care about their needs.

Not only that, they're actually killing and destroying art forms. Many forms of art don't lend themselves to 15-second videos, and they're being actively downranked and not even shown to their own friends and followers anymore. Facebook is gatekeeping content between friends. You could have spent 500 hours painting a picture but Facebook will HIDE it from your friends just because it isn't a 15-second "Reel".

Zuck: "We want Reels to be the best place for creators to connect with their community and make a living"

Well, did you even bother asking the creators? A lot of them CANNOT make a living through short videos. They need still pictures, writing, interactive pages, and other ways to present their creations.

No, Zuck, you don't want it to the best place for creators. You actually don't give a flying f about creators. You just want to copy and compete with TikTok.

I do a lot of landscape photography and astrophotography, and my views have been slashed to 1/3 of what they were last year. Same quality content, it's Instagram HIDING stuff from my own followers and friends. I'm just glad I don't make a living from it, but feel really bad for those who do.

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Post by eks391 »

dylan604 wrote: post #109
SrslyJosh wrote: post #6

Nobody hates Facebook users more than Facebook, I guess. :-/ I've tried to type out several pithy comments, but the bottom line (to me) is that Facebook just doesn't respect its users or care about their needs. Can you imagine if brick-and-mortar businesses tried to do this? You go out for a Big Mac, but it's not on the menu anymore because Taco Bell had a few really good quarters, so McDonald's decided to pivot to t…

>Maybe you can still order the if you know to ask for it, but most people won't, and they'll leave disappointed instead of getting what they wanted. You just described In&Out

Facts. I went to InNOut with a friend because he swore by it and I ordered first. I got a tasteless burger and he got one that actually had food between the buns. AND his fries looked actually edible. I was confused, asked which options he chose, and he said something about secret menus which pisses me off. Why must I be prepared with inside knowledge for a store that claims to be fast and easy? I ate my crappy meal and dont plan on going back when there are other places that are full willing to show you what meals are available

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Post by pdinny »

Bjorkbat wrote: post #95

This actually makes me pretty sad. For all of Facebook's ills, it did at least do a good job of keeping me connected with friends before it got weird. Same with Instagram. Twitter is fantastic because it helps me discover new people, new interests, new worlds, in a way. TikTok doesn't feel social at all. It feels entirely too performative. Everything on there is a performance. Everything is an act. Everything is simp…

> TikTok doesn't feel social at all

I agree entirely but I'd argue that this is a feature rather than a flaw. It's more like community TV than a place for dialog with social connections.

> It feels entirely too performative.

I think this depends greatly on the niches of TikTok that you have led yourself to. Some is definitely very performative and it can feel like you're on the receiving end of an endless stream of pitches for your attention. But other parts are far more laid-back. SynthTok, for example, is mostly just context-free synthesizer jams.

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Post by tomgp »

cft wrote: post #277
dreamcompiler wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Facebook just doesn't respect its users or care about their needs. Facebook cares a great deal about its users--advertisers. You and I aren't Facebook's users; we are the ore Facebook has been mining at a cost approaching zero for over a decade and selling at a huge markup to its actual customers. But now the mine is playing out. We no longer cost Facebook zero to mine and the advertisers are beginning to realize t…

Even though the original product is dead, they bought WhatsApp and Instagram, which are far from dead

Instagram’s incessant design tweaking, it’s algorithm adjustments which now give preferential treatment to “reels” to an absurd degree and the expansion of advertising on the feed (I’ve seen people write as much as 5x more) all positively reeks of desperate product managers. Instagram is going the same way as facebook it just has a bit further to go

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Post by zambal »

To me it seems that all social media platforms converge to some user hostile version of Reddit. You can argue that it got worse over time too, but it still is the platform that gives me most control over what I like to see.

The other model that seems to work well for users are obviously platforms like Signal/Matrix/Whatsapp.

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Post by b112 »

SrslyJosh wrote: post #6

Nobody hates Facebook users more than Facebook, I guess. :-/ I've tried to type out several pithy comments, but the bottom line (to me) is that Facebook just doesn't respect its users or care about their needs. Can you imagine if brick-and-mortar businesses tried to do this? You go out for a Big Mac, but it's not on the menu anymore because Taco Bell had a few really good quarters, so McDonald's decided to pivot to t…

Can you imagine if brick-and-mortar businesses tried to do this? You go out for a Big Mac

Your point is 100% valid, so don't consider this a disagreement. It is merely that McDonalds has changed, and it annoys me.

I went to the one on El Camino near Oregon, and waited 7 minutes to have my order taken, and 14 minutes more for my food. Why?

Doordash, and others.

https://nypost.com/2022/02/14/doordash-to-penalize-mcdonalds...

This is a pivot too, from restaurant to delivery as a primary business model.

But, just like facebook, mcdonalds borked this. Its whole business model was fast food, and really the only reason I ever went there.

They could have added more cooks, and another cashier, keeping the responsiveness and speed of old, keeping their food fast for walkins.

But instead, drop the old, and now I can go to a real restaurant, order a burger, and get it made and on my table faster.

Good job McDonalds!

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by ARandomerDude »

threeseed wrote: post #288
ARandomerDude wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No evidence they are dying. All we have is a single quarter's result i.e. statistically meaningless. But their first down quarter (for users) does say something . No one would be talking about this if it hadn't happened.

It's a quarter where we are seeing an inflation explosion, COVID and international uncertainty which is causing recessionary behaviour. Companies across the IT sector are cutting jobs and revising forecasts either because of actual or expected drop in revenue. Can't think anyone serious would look to derive any meaning from a single data point in this environment. For all we know the entire DAU drop could be from Ukr…

> inflation explosion, COVID and international uncertainty...recessionary behaviour...cutting jobs and revising forecasts...drop in revenue.

Literally none of these things account for people not logging in to FB. In fact, some (all?) of those sound like the sorts of things that would drive engagement among millions of bored and frustrated people.

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