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Don’t Blame Dostoyevsky

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Re: Don’t Blame Dostoyevsky

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Gogol was Ukrainian though. Lots of references to Ukrainian culture in his early writings as well.

But in "Dead Souls" and elsewhere he never referred to himself as a Ukrainian. He called himself, proudly, Russian, through and through.

And 1000 years ago Rus was an empire centred on its capital, Kyiv. Ukrainians used to be called Rusyn or Ruthenian. There was a Rus empire encompassing Ukraine, Belarus and western Russia before Moscow even existed.

Ukraine as a country is a relatively modern construct. Born out of centuries of oppression at the hands of Muscovites. That doesn't mean that Ukrainians didn't exist just because they were called something else in the past.

Anyhow, tons of Gogol's writings reference Ukrainian culture. He was born in a cossack town. Which also happened to be part of the Russian Empire, before the idea of Ukrainian independence became widespread.

Might as well say Italians didn't exist before modern Italy, or deny the Germans' history and existence just because Germany is a relatively modern state.

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The displacement of Ukrainian children is awful, but also occurred in all these other conflicts. The flow of refugees is also awful, as is the imposition of the conqueror's ideology, but that happened in Iraq too. All the other effects are speculative and caused as much by US/EU sanctions (which have historically never accomplished their goals and have not had their intended effect even in this conflict) as they are…

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Re: Don’t Blame Dostoyevsky

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The taking of Mariupol, all of Luhansk and most of Donetsk have been successes. They've been hard fought, grinding successes, but successes nonetheless.

They don't control all of Luhansk and they don't control most of Donetsk oblast. I'd lay off from russian TV for a bit :) The goal was to take Kyiv in 3 days and install puppet government they have not accomplished that and have not taken a single major city in Ukraine despite Kharkiv being 40km from the border. So no for self proclaimed worlds 2nd army they have not accomplished a single strategic goal let alone the…

They haven't taken a single major city in Ukraine except Kherson and Mariupol, two major Ukrainian cities.

JFC.

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I have two major critiques here: 1. There's no reason to think the criminal invasion of Ukraine will result in victory for Ukraine. The Russians will fall short of their maximal goals, but they're having significant battlefield successes now. Sometimes, criminal invasions are completely successful. In this case, I suspect that a long, low-intensity conflict with two entrenched sides is the most likely outcome. 2. Thi…

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Re: Don’t Blame Dostoyevsky

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People are downvoting this but it's like...objectively true: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Ukrainian_presidential_el...

I have seen very few people contesting his election. It’s the snipers shooting at crowds and sending the army to the Maidan square that people really objected to. Also, his cosying up with Putin and showing the finger to the EU. And corruption.

Look, the obvious point here is that you can't take someone's pretext for war at face value like the fuckhead who thinks it's okay to starve Yemeni children because of Iran did. There's always some kernel of truth to hang them on, but it doesn't justify criminal military aggression, either in Ukraine or Yemen.

Re: Don’t Blame Dostoyevsky

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They don't control all of Luhansk and they don't control most of Donetsk oblast. I'd lay off from russian TV for a bit :) The goal was to take Kyiv in 3 days and install puppet government they have not accomplished that and have not taken a single major city in Ukraine despite Kharkiv being 40km from the border. So no for self proclaimed worlds 2nd army they have not accomplished a single strategic goal let alone the…

They haven't taken a single major city in Ukraine except Kherson and Mariupol, two major Ukrainian cities. JFC.

Kherson population is 280K people Mariupol 400k Major city would be Kyiv, Kharkiv, Dnepr, Odessa or Lviv
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