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Re: Tesla remotely converts battery pack, cutting 1/3 of range

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Post by huffmsa »

Gunnerhead wrote: post #211
_ea1k wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wondered that too. It'd be extremely unusual for Tesla to go as far as changing the badge. OTOH, a car dealer along the way might do that if they noticed the discrepancy between the badge and what the software reported. It'd be hard to blame them too, since people do sometimes downgrade the badging on cars (eg, this "218i", lol: https://carsandbids.com/auctions/Kmm4AgbK/2016-bmw-m2 ). It still leaves Tesla as the b…

Mind explaining the 218i joke?

It's a top of the class M2 model with cartoonishly big wing, but has been badged as the bare bones entry level 218i model as a joke.

Re: Tesla remotely converts battery pack, cutting 1/3 of range

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Post by clintonb »

rootusrootus wrote: post #317
clintonb wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All upgrades (e.g., FSD, acceleration boost) stay with the car. This is huge source of frustration for those of us who purchased FSD, but want to move to another car while retaining FSD.

All upgrades stay with the car unless the used car dealer is Tesla themselves.

True. Tesla is double-dipping here. They also tend to enable FSD for many of their used models, which is frustrating because I don't think FDS is worth the $7K I spent, and definitely not the current $12K.

Re: Tesla remotely converts battery pack, cutting 1/3 of range

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Post by buffington »

thumbsup-_- wrote: post #159

This is the problem with over the air updates. It gives car companies the ability to disable features at their own will. Another aspect is that software has bugs and an update can potentially also introduce problems in your car, especially when your 10yr model is receiving updates that the software engineer didn't care to test for such old model. I always liked software that runs stable software and keeps running tha…

I bought my Tesla used, and when I went to pull up the digital user manual (a PDF) the entire screen went black and the car rebooted.

After rebooting, I tried it again, and it did it again.

I've since learned to avoid software updates as long as possible unless the description of changes explicitly describes fixing a bug. Even then, I weigh the benefits of fixing the bug, or leaving it as is, knowing an update could make other things worse.

Re: Tesla remotely converts battery pack, cutting 1/3 of range

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Post by smsm42 »

Verdex wrote: post #75
TheLoafOfBread wrote: post #35

Reason 547 why you should not connect your car to the internet. Today it is limiting range because mistake several years ago, tomorrow it will be mandatory ads every time when you start a car.

Verdex presents: A Plausible Future Driver: Okay Car are you ready to go? Car: Sure thing driver, let's just hook up to the T-Network. Okay, we're in! Where's our destination? D: Well, first thing is that I'm going to want a Mocha Frappe from the local Starbucks. C: Sounds great! Off we go. D: Wait, Car what are we doing at McDonalds? C: McDonald's offers a wide variety of cafe style drinks at competitive prices. Thi…

You forgot the part where it charges you for the Frappe anyway because the charge is automatic (for your convenience!) and you have to figure out which customer service you need to call to reverse the charge. Spoiler: you'd have to call all of them, wait half an hour on hold on each and at the end you'd have to reverse the charge at CC company because none of them know how to deal with it. Reversing the charge would block your car account and you'd have to spend next month with Uber while it is being sorted out.

And by being sorted out I mean you complain on Twitter and one of the Silicon Valley founders notices it by chance and mentions it in his feed, from where it reaches the support of your car company because their support VP reads it, and it is flagged as something to be handled by an actual human.

Re: Tesla remotely converts battery pack, cutting 1/3 of range

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Post by mikestew »

freerobby wrote: post #298
mikestew wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As one who bought TSLA when it was in the low double digits, I thought for sure that we'd one day own a Tesla (we sure made enough off TSLA to justify one). But this situation is but one of many little duck bites that have now put us off the brand. Sure, a duck doesn't bite all that hard, but enough of those little nibbles can cause some harm. And so "pedo guy", "taking TSLA private", "no, FSD does not transfer to th…

FSD does transfer to next owner with any private sale. If you sell it to Tesla, they often remove FSD and resell without it; but that's no different than anyone else modifying a vehicle they own and then selling it in its new state.

My mistake, thanks for the correction; edited (leaving my error for prosperity, and so the replies make sense). I added another bullet point to make up for it. :-)

Re: Tesla remotely converts battery pack, cutting 1/3 of range

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Post by tomrod »

zcw100 wrote: post #48

So the way I'm reading the post is Tesla swapped out a battery pack for a 60 with a 90 and enabled the 90. Tesla, years later, discovers that even though the hardware for a 90 was installed it should have been software limited to be a 60. (I'm assuming that Tesla only made the owner pay the cost of the 60 battery swap even though they replaced it with a 90). They go and "fix the glitch" and set it back to the 60. Sin…

The first bad decision is allowing a manufacturer to control how elements of a car are used after its gone on the market.

Re: Tesla remotely converts battery pack, cutting 1/3 of range

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Post by thomaslord »

freerobby wrote: post #298
mikestew wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As one who bought TSLA when it was in the low double digits, I thought for sure that we'd one day own a Tesla (we sure made enough off TSLA to justify one). But this situation is but one of many little duck bites that have now put us off the brand. Sure, a duck doesn't bite all that hard, but enough of those little nibbles can cause some harm. And so "pedo guy", "taking TSLA private", "no, FSD does not transfer to th…

FSD does transfer to next owner with any private sale. If you sell it to Tesla, they often remove FSD and resell without it; but that's no different than anyone else modifying a vehicle they own and then selling it in its new state.

There are documented cases of Tesla selling a pre-owned vehicle that was purchased with an optional feature, listing that optional feature in the sale ad, and then disabling the feature after the person they sold the car to has taken possession.

Re: Tesla remotely converts battery pack, cutting 1/3 of range

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Post by mabbo »

Enginerrrd wrote: post #10

I'll spare the moral judgements against Tesla for this: The real moral of the story here is that if your business plan and practices is creating occasional weird issues and huge cognitive dissonance in your customers, it's the wrong business plan. Also... the number of people this applies to is likely so low that Tesla really screwed up by not erring on the side of the customer. (They didn't buy from Tesla, but they'…

> If the bad publicity alone causes even a tiny fraction of the population to choose another manufacturer, the've lost their $4,500 and then some

This week, I begin shopping for an EV family car. On my list of options are the Ioniq 5, EV6, and odel X.

What a great time to see how Tesla treats customers.

Re: Tesla remotely converts battery pack, cutting 1/3 of range

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Post by misiti3780 »

TheLoafOfBread wrote: post #35

Reason 547 why you should not connect your car to the internet. Today it is limiting range because mistake several years ago, tomorrow it will be mandatory ads every time when you start a car.

As a tesla owner, this story does not make me want to unhook my car from the internet (Tesla did what was legally in their right to do, this is a nothing-burger.) I would imagine 99% of other Tesla owners feel them same.

You feeling nostalgia for the good old days with MapQuest?

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