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Re: Tesla remotely converts battery pack, cutting 1/3 of range

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post #136

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The proper analogy is that your Alienware breaks, and Alienware replaces your RTX3080 with a 3080Ti. When you resell it, you can and should identify it as an Alienware with a 3080Ti.

Upon closer analysis, all analogies will break down. I'd argue the car in the sumtotal of all the parts in it. So rather your analogy about Alienware is: You own a dell gaming pc. Under warranty repair, Dell replaces some of the parts with parts from an Alienware build. Are you allowed to put on Alienware decals on your Dell desktop and re-sell it as an Alienware?

If it has Alienware parts, then: yes.

Do you think that Dell should remotely access you computer and artificially nobble it?

Re: Tesla remotely converts battery pack, cutting 1/3 of range

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post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The proper analogy is that your Alienware breaks, and Alienware replaces your RTX3080 with a 3080Ti. When you resell it, you can and should identify it as an Alienware with a 3080Ti.

Upon closer analysis, all analogies will break down. I'd argue the car in the sumtotal of all the parts in it. So rather your analogy about Alienware is: You own a dell gaming pc. Under warranty repair, Dell replaces some of the parts with parts from an Alienware build. Are you allowed to put on Alienware decals on your Dell desktop and re-sell it as an Alienware?

Why use analogies at all?

Tesla replaced a 60 with a 90, the owner now has a 90.

They list it as a 90 when selling it.

The new owner gets hit with the update to turn it back into a 60.

New owner is pissed at old owner, when they should be pissed at tesla.

Re: Tesla remotely converts battery pack, cutting 1/3 of range

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Funny enough, it was test driving a Tesla that got me interested in getting an EV as my next vehicle. And like many, Musk's behavior has dissuaded me from purchasing one, and instead likely a Ford.

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I think most people don't care about (whether out of time-induced apathy or unfortunate agreement) who Ford was much like how they don't care much about who founded VW or why. Coming from Detroit, it was always frustrating how whitewashed his history got.

Re: Tesla remotely converts battery pack, cutting 1/3 of range

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This has got to be one of the worst clickbait headlines in HN history, and this is an achievement. This is what happened. Person A has his tesla serviced, tesla increases his range by mistake. Person A puts a wrong decal on the tesla and illegally and fraudulently sells it as a car with an increased range to person B. The car eventually gets to person C, who takes the tesla to service where they correct the mistake.…

> So sorry, there is no ransoming. Just a bit of old fashioned fraud, and not on the part of Tesla.

Actually, it's just a bit of old fashioned stupidity on the part of Tesla (or, at least, on the part of one of Tesla's employees).

They made the mistake when the car was owned by someone else (in fact, two someone elses ago). It would cost them basically nothing to just leave it alone, and instead they've gained a huge pile of ill will -- not only for the current owner of the car, but an internet's worth of customers and potential customers. And saying they will "fix" what they "fixed" for $4500 just makes them look even more like jerks.

Really bad move on Tesla's part.

Re: Tesla remotely converts battery pack, cutting 1/3 of range

#187
post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The proper analogy is that your Alienware breaks, and Alienware replaces your RTX3080 with a 3080Ti. When you resell it, you can and should identify it as an Alienware with a 3080Ti.

Upon closer analysis, all analogies will break down. I'd argue the car in the sumtotal of all the parts in it. So rather your analogy about Alienware is: You own a dell gaming pc. Under warranty repair, Dell replaces some of the parts with parts from an Alienware build. Are you allowed to put on Alienware decals on your Dell desktop and re-sell it as an Alienware?

Ironically, most analogies that I've seen compare other things to cars. This is one of those cases where it's the other way around.

Re: Tesla remotely converts battery pack, cutting 1/3 of range

#188
post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The proper analogy is that your Alienware breaks, and Alienware replaces your RTX3080 with a 3080Ti. When you resell it, you can and should identify it as an Alienware with a 3080Ti.

Upon closer analysis, all analogies will break down. I'd argue the car in the sumtotal of all the parts in it. So rather your analogy about Alienware is: You own a dell gaming pc. Under warranty repair, Dell replaces some of the parts with parts from an Alienware build. Are you allowed to put on Alienware decals on your Dell desktop and re-sell it as an Alienware?

> Upon closer analysis, all analogies will break down

so how about you just explain your position so that other people who don't know the difference between an RTX3080 and a 3080ti can also participate

Re: Tesla remotely converts battery pack, cutting 1/3 of range

#189
post #48

So the way I'm reading the post is Tesla swapped out a battery pack for a 60 with a 90 and enabled the 90. Tesla, years later, discovers that even though the hardware for a 90 was installed it should have been software limited to be a 60. (I'm assuming that Tesla only made the owner pay the cost of the 60 battery swap even though they replaced it with a 90). They go and "fix the glitch" and set it back to the 60. Sin…

The problem I have is Tesla even having the ability to do something like that. The idea of car manufacturers having remote access to my car to enable and disable features is a very scary proposition.

It’s adds another point of failure to something your life can sometimes depend on, imagine if you’re in a cyber truck on a backroad trail and Tesla finds out the last owner didn’t pay for 4WD, you could easily get stranded.

And I feel like with all this connectivity to the manufacturer, we will start to see “acceptable use cases” for your cars. For the vast majority of people they won’t notice but a gearhead will get in and head to the track to find out he can’t drive there because he doesn’t have the “track package subscription” or an off-roader realizing he can’t take his jeep off road because if didn’t come with an “off pavement subscription”. Your truck won’t be able to move when hooked up to a trailer because it doesn’t have a “tow package”. Eventually you’re going to be doing something and want to do something with your car and realize you can’t, not because it’s incapable, but because it was told not to by someone else.

I promise you there will be scams abound with hackers selling base model cars as fully loaded ones then reverting everything after the fact. A few are going to die in off-roading situations where the car just refused to move or had critical features disabled through software, and we’re going to relish the days where the only subscription was to your heated seats. And all these subscriptions are going to make Adobe look like a saint with their subscriptions.

Re: Tesla remotely converts battery pack, cutting 1/3 of range

#190
post #48

So the way I'm reading the post is Tesla swapped out a battery pack for a 60 with a 90 and enabled the 90. Tesla, years later, discovers that even though the hardware for a 90 was installed it should have been software limited to be a 60. (I'm assuming that Tesla only made the owner pay the cost of the 60 battery swap even though they replaced it with a 90). They go and "fix the glitch" and set it back to the 60. Sin…

Don't forget the fact that he has to pay for the electricity cost of hauling around what is probably a hundred pounds of battery he can't use.
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