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Don’t Blame Dostoyevsky

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Re: Don’t Blame Dostoyevsky

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This is a sort of ad hominem and not helpful. I could _guess_ what you are alluding to, but you should make your point explicitly, rather than in personal and innuendo form.

You're right. I happen to agree with the sentiment about The Atlantic, but yeah, that's as bad as saying "Ooh, Fox News! We can't listen to anything they say."

Re: Don’t Blame Dostoyevsky

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> I don't blame some Ukrainians for feeling the way that they do I can certainly see why they're upset but it's a problem with Russia's leader at the time, and not the culture right? If it's a long-standing cultural issue then I'd imagine some introspection would also be required, which seems like it may undermine the whole notion.

Frankly, we have been having problems with Russian leaders for the last couple centuries or three.

This makes me wonder, is it possible that the pool of solutions available to Russia's leaders is objectively limited due to Russia's geopolitical and sociopolitical realities and they really don't have too much of a rational choice?

Re: Don’t Blame Dostoyevsky

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Right, blame Gogol: “We all come out from Gogol's 'Overcoat'.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/513055-we-all-come-out-from...

Gogol was Ukrainian though. Lots of references to Ukrainian culture in his early writings as well.

Re: Don’t Blame Dostoyevsky

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This is a sort of ad hominem and not helpful. I could _guess_ what you are alluding to, but you should make your point explicitly, rather than in personal and innuendo form.

You're right. I happen to agree with the sentiment about The Atlantic, but yeah, that's as bad as saying "Ooh, Fox News! We can't listen to anything they say."

We can, but we should calibrate our expectations accordingly.

Re: Don’t Blame Dostoyevsky

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Ukraine's war on Russian culture isn't just about removing Russian culture, it's about emphasizing Ukrainian culture, which the Russian Empire and USSR both actively tried to suppress.

It's not anti-Pushkin as much as pro-Shevchenko...

Edit - also interesting that the author is Russian-Swiss, presumably living in Switzerland.

Re: Don’t Blame Dostoyevsky

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If you're interested in some constructive arguments why this article is wrong, please see a thread: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1516162437455654913.html

I’m quite certain a very similar article could be written about, say, UK and Ireland with quotes from famous authors. It’s not that the English lack an imperialist past and feelings of superiority.

If UK will take weapons and go on a killing spree to “restore the great empire”, I’m gonna boycott them just as much.

Re: Don’t Blame Dostoyevsky

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Frankly, we have been having problems with Russian leaders for the last couple centuries or three.

This makes me wonder, is it possible that the pool of solutions available to Russia's leaders is objectively limited due to Russia's geopolitical and sociopolitical realities and they really don't have too much of a rational choice?

That's a point that deserves deeper study.

They have (from memory) 13 countries on their borders, and almost no "natural" borders, e.g. rivers or mountain ranges. They have a history that's blood-curdling. Expecting a new czar to make it like Denmark is a bit much.

The West tried in the 90s, and Boris Yeltsin is not remembered fondly over there. The emergence of gangster capitalism was the result.

Re: Don’t Blame Dostoyevsky

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A Ukrainian here - couldn't disagree more with the author. Take a beloved in the West author like Solzhenitsyn, whose "compassion" suddenly evaporates when Ukrainian question is raised. Even a modern sci-fi author Sergei Lukyanenko does not shy away from racial jokes against Ukrainians or Lithuanians in his Dozor books. Ukraine is a pawn at the world stage, but if the West is serious about battling russia (for its ow…

The "cultural front" terrifies me. I hope war is not waged on that front.

Uhm... It always has been. One could even say it's the only reason wars end up happening, as a lack of cultural conflict creates a much easier road for diplomacy.

Re: Don’t Blame Dostoyevsky

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A good read for folks riding on the anti-all-things-Russia bandwagon right now or for people with a more nuanced view trying to understand where the Russian stereotypes, tropes and general bigotry originate from: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/34237648-creating-russop...

That book might have been relevent in 2005 but throw it out the window now. All anti-Russian sentiment in the world is due to the fact Russia is literally engaging in genocide against Ukrainians, right now.
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