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Denmark bans Gmail and Co from schools due to privacy concerns

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Re: Denmark bans Gmail and Co from schools due to privacy concerns

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Translation issue. In German, the expression "... und Co" is a synonym for et cetera.

Except the language spoken in Denmark is Danish, not German.

It exists in danish as well. Where it's actually picked up from English.

https://ordnet.dk/ddo/ordbog?query=co

Re: Denmark bans Gmail and Co from schools due to privacy concerns

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post #58

Its not true. I only have a correct source in danish: https://www.berlingske.dk/samfund/et-centralt-vaerktoej-for-... But only one local county have been forbidden from processing personal data on school chromebooks as they did not do any analysis of the consequences.

If it isn't, it should be. School is obligatory, we really shouldn't employ commercial products in schools to begin with. In Portugal, some years ago, kids were given computers with a Linux distro pre-installed for *free*, and LibreOffice was used as a word processor replacement. Argentina did the same thing, hell there were others too.

That's cool, but you can't give out mailboxes for free like you can give away computers. It needs to run somewhere, the servers maintained by someone. Do you have a better solution than Gmail? I know only about Microsoft, is that even an improvement?

Re: Denmark bans Gmail and Co from schools due to privacy concerns

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post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it isn't, it should be. School is obligatory, we really shouldn't employ commercial products in schools to begin with. In Portugal, some years ago, kids were given computers with a Linux distro pre-installed for *free*, and LibreOffice was used as a word processor replacement. Argentina did the same thing, hell there were others too.

So no books then? Most of them are published commercially.

Textbooks should really be public domain. They're paid for by public money anyway, it's just we currently also pay 10x the cost to make them directly to elsevier or pearson.

Re: Denmark bans Gmail and Co from schools due to privacy concerns

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If anyone needs a good example of the: 1. click bait title 2. primitive advertisement, all in one place, this article is a great example. Was Gmail banned in Denmark schools? Obviously not, there is some regulation in one of the counties and it was about chromebook usage because of some privacy concerns. One. County. Article is written by a company which is a direct competitor of Gmail (they are email service too) an…

"nobody wants mediocre user interface"

Is Gmail your idea of a good user interface? How many ordinaty people can setup filters to direct email from a prticular sender to a particular folder? Why can't I right click on an email and add it to a specific rule?

"be unable to search emails"

The mobile Gmail app fails at search, if my latest email has a word in it, typing in that word into searchbar returns nothing. I had to switch to outlook, ironically

"Even with encrypted emails, that's just the beginning of the privacy story."

I can get bank statements or medical records by post, they are confidential and are accepted by every court in the land.

I can't get a bank statement by email and every email will be subject to 'is this real, did he really send it'. Its bear i possible to prove.

so I think we've failed as an industry here

Re: Denmark bans Gmail and Co from schools due to privacy concerns

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post #2

Now let's ban MSFT Office365 too. It's of zero use to teach whatever to the kids.

I'd have to disagree here. Teaching kids how to use Word and Excel will help them for the majority of office jobs out there.

If we teach them tools that aren't awful, then offices can use those instead.

Re: Denmark bans Gmail and Co from schools due to privacy concerns

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post #58

Its not true. I only have a correct source in danish: https://www.berlingske.dk/samfund/et-centralt-vaerktoej-for-... But only one local county have been forbidden from processing personal data on school chromebooks as they did not do any analysis of the consequences.

If it isn't, it should be. School is obligatory, we really shouldn't employ commercial products in schools to begin with. In Portugal, some years ago, kids were given computers with a Linux distro pre-installed for *free*, and LibreOffice was used as a word processor replacement. Argentina did the same thing, hell there were others too.

You think the government builds desks, blackboards, buildings, directly.

Everything is outsourced to private companies. That's how economics works.

Re: Denmark bans Gmail and Co from schools due to privacy concerns

#157
post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it isn't, it should be. School is obligatory, we really shouldn't employ commercial products in schools to begin with. In Portugal, some years ago, kids were given computers with a Linux distro pre-installed for *free*, and LibreOffice was used as a word processor replacement. Argentina did the same thing, hell there were others too.

So no books then? Most of them are published commercially.

"Use nothing commercial ever" is probably too extreme.

I'd agree with the parent that schools shouldn't be getting kids to use things like GSuite, but not solely because it's commercial - the problem is the data management practices of these companies, which the state should not be supporting by forcing children to use these services to complete their education and inevitably giving companies like Google huge amounts of personal data.

This isn't a problem with textbooks, commercial or otherwise.

Re: Denmark bans Gmail and Co from schools due to privacy concerns

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post #20
post #2

Now let's ban MSFT Office365 too. It's of zero use to teach whatever to the kids.

Schools have no place supporting or teaching proprietary software in the first place. They should teach concepts using publicly available software and sponsor students who wish to patch bugs that impact school operations.

"Schools have no place supporting or teaching proprietary software in the first place. They should teach concepts using publicly available software"

Schools teach using proprietary books, and every piece of equipment in a school, from a projector to a powertool is proprietary too.

I am not against the idea, but I am just pointing out it gors against the grain of current customs and norms.

Re: Denmark bans Gmail and Co from schools due to privacy concerns

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post #127

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If you had learned OpenOffice calc or write, would that have made much of a difference? Takes a few hours to move 80% from one to the other. Maybe if very specific functions it may take a few minutes more.

Would you prefer we mandate Vim or EMacs for kids? Both are free, so it’s a deliberate choice to be made. And how do you suggest we support this decision and their potential inability to use an IDE in the real world?

If you grew up with emacs and vim there is not so much chance you cannot use an ide in the real world? I mean: vim/emacs are considered harder to use and going to something easier is, well, easier? I am not really sure what you are saying?

Someone who can write elisp macros and have muscle memories for complex actions won’t be bothered with VS or VS code at all.

The other way around however…

Re: Denmark bans Gmail and Co from schools due to privacy concerns

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post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So no books then? Most of them are published commercially.

Textbooks should really be public domain. They're paid for by public money anyway, it's just we currently also pay 10x the cost to make them directly to elsevier or pearson.

What do you mean, they're paid for by public money? I don't think that's true at all - at least in EU. Some of them get public donations (to support the independence of the authors, usually), and some of them are written by people paid by a university, but there's so much more completely independently funded textbooks...
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