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People can’t seem to get enough of science fiction, but every time something is presented that would move the needle in that direction, the detractors line up in droves. With attitudes like this, it really will be the 25th century before humanity does do anything of significance (if we even live that long).

Maybe people are hoping more for 'Star trek' than 'Judge dredd'.

I sure hope not. We know that the future of Star Trek only becomes possible after our current society totally collapses, culminating in World War III. TBF, razing everything to the ground and rebuilding society with modern tech in mind is probably a lot faster and more efficient, but I still wouldn't want to live in the "transition" phase.

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Bloomberg has a good running series on this 'city of the future'. As you will expect consultants are making good money on this. I personally can't get enough of this foolish mega-project, I love the dry reporting on it. Here's one of the latest: https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2022-mbs-neom-saudi-arabi... There was also a very telling interview with architects, builders, concept people etc... and after talking abo…

A friend of mine works on the NEOM project, and it really is like winning the lottery. Remote work with an occasional field trip to look at the place. But Google level salary to tell them how to save some data. The scale of the feeding trough is unimaginable. I saw an advert for NEOM on Piccadilly Circus, the whole entire e-wall, and the place isn't even built yet, so I'm not sure if they're using it to recruit. It's…

> A friend of mine works on the NEOM project, and it really is like winning the lottery. Remote work with an occasional field trip to look at the place. But Google level salary to tell them how to save some data.

I was in Saudi Arabia earlier this year and I met quite a few Western engineers and consultants who didn't get as lucky as your friend and had been living in the desert near Neom for > 6 months. IIRC their visas didn't even allow them to leave the region surrounding Neom (which is pretty much just empty desert).

> the place isn't even built yet

It's not built at all yet or has it simply not been completed yet? I keep hearing different things about the status of the project.

Re: Saudi Crown Prince unveils plans for $500bn structure to house 9M people

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> [...] and after talking about Neom in all enthusiasm for a bit the interviewer asked each a simple question: would you live in Neom? I wonder what the architect of this building [0] would have answered the same question. However, many people live there. [0] https://i.pinimg.com/originals/07/0c/1f/070c1f5ab8a54d907cca...

Those are different things. The promise of Neom is to be this amazing tech city that will attract people to live there. The building you posted is most likely a public housing or some kind of government trying to build housing for the poor.

> The promise of Neom is to be this amazing tech city that will attract people to live there.

That's a good point.

Re: Saudi Crown Prince unveils plans for $500bn structure to house 9M people

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A friend of mine works on the NEOM project, and it really is like winning the lottery. Remote work with an occasional field trip to look at the place. But Google level salary to tell them how to save some data. The scale of the feeding trough is unimaginable. I saw an advert for NEOM on Piccadilly Circus, the whole entire e-wall, and the place isn't even built yet, so I'm not sure if they're using it to recruit. It's…

> A friend of mine works on the NEOM project, and it really is like winning the lottery. Remote work with an occasional field trip to look at the place. But Google level salary to tell them how to save some data. I was in Saudi Arabia earlier this year and I met quite a few Western engineers and consultants who didn't get as lucky as your friend and had been living in the desert near Neom for > 6 months. IIRC their v…

I don't know for sure, but from what I understand it's not livable yet. Changes quickly though, perhaps I'm wrong.

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I doubt it will get built, but they really have people who understand the fundamental concepts behind Arcology. Honestly I'm surprised at how many parts of the design are well thought-out and well adapted to the desert environment. Sunlight from the sides, but not so much that it overheats the city. Heat escapes up. 5-minute walkable neighborhoods. The proximity to services of cities combined with the roominess of su…

Reminds me of atrium-like structures but extended to a massive scale to fit cities. [1] Regardless of the feasibility of this mega-project, what concerns me is how difficult it would be to escape from living in what is essentially a big mall. Maybe that's what feels dystopian to most people here? [1] https://youtu.be/VuOyygDRN-w

That's an interesting video, but it focuses on entirely enclosed "interior cities". But the lack of sunlight and connection to the outside has been a known weakness of those places for decades. This "LINE" design at least attempts to address that by providing a massive view to the outside via two 500m-tall transparent walls.

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I doubt it will get built, but they really have people who understand the fundamental concepts behind Arcology. Honestly I'm surprised at how many parts of the design are well thought-out and well adapted to the desert environment. Sunlight from the sides, but not so much that it overheats the city. Heat escapes up. 5-minute walkable neighborhoods. The proximity to services of cities combined with the roominess of su…

Because this is the exact opposite of trying to live at one with your environment. Not saying that cities aren't, but this just screams "wrong" on so many levels. Why do people go camping? Because it feels so right to connect with the environment.

There would be a lot of more places to go camping to if everyone lived in such cities. See how Manhattan would look like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs-10eEGEe0

Re: Saudi Crown Prince unveils plans for $500bn structure to house 9M people

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe people are hoping more for 'Star trek' than 'Judge dredd'.

I sure hope not. We know that the future of Star Trek only becomes possible after our current society totally collapses, culminating in World War III. TBF, razing everything to the ground and rebuilding society with modern tech in mind is probably a lot faster and more efficient, but I still wouldn't want to live in the "transition" phase.

Just because the Star Trek universe had WWIII doesn’t mean we have to. I would like to live in Star Trek via the path of least suffering, but whatever path, it is the future I wish for generations to come regardless the struggle I personally have to endure.

To wish the current system upon children and children’s children is selfish and cruel beyond imagination.

If people wanted, we could all wake up tomorrow and begin building that better future. It is literally a state of mind at this point — the technology and intelligence necessary is within our current evolutionary form.

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A friend of mine works on the NEOM project, and it really is like winning the lottery. Remote work with an occasional field trip to look at the place. But Google level salary to tell them how to save some data. The scale of the feeding trough is unimaginable. I saw an advert for NEOM on Piccadilly Circus, the whole entire e-wall, and the place isn't even built yet, so I'm not sure if they're using it to recruit. It's…

People can’t seem to get enough of science fiction, but every time something is presented that would move the needle in that direction, the detractors line up in droves. With attitudes like this, it really will be the 25th century before humanity does do anything of significance (if we even live that long).

You know what is significant? Building social housing for your entire population.

I've traveled a bit in my life and at the end of the day for the average untalented non rich person there's nowhere better than Northwestern Europe.

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