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Re: The Dangers of Microsoft Pluton

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Post by geysersam »

RedComet wrote: post #93
aaronbrethorst wrote: post #59

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Ron DeSantis doesn't need hardware-level DRM to ban math books. https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2022/05/06/florida-ba... If you're worried about book bannings in states like Florida, DeSantis is up for reelection in just over 3 months . Go volunteer or donate money to his opponent (probably Charlie Crist).

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> pornographic examples in it

I can't fathom a math textbook with pornographic examples. Is this a thing in the US?

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Post by zczc »

Interesting naming. "Microsoft Hell God".

Pluto (Greek: Πλούτων Plouton, "giver of wealth", Pluton in French and German) the most common name for the classical ruler of the underworld. Plouton was one of several euphemistic names for Hades, described in the Iliad as the god most hateful to mortals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluto_(mythology)

Re: The Dangers of Microsoft Pluton

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

ajvs wrote: post #87
aaronbrethorst wrote: post #59

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Ron DeSantis doesn't need hardware-level DRM to ban math books. https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2022/05/06/florida-ba... If you're worried about book bannings in states like Florida, DeSantis is up for reelection in just over 3 months . Go volunteer or donate money to his opponent (probably Charlie Crist).

Mein Kampf is a banned book which I don't think many would disagree with. There are many other such books filled with propaganda that are rightly banned. I don't see why other propaganda-filled books that are being pushed on unsuspecting children shouldn't be banned too, unless the only reason is that you dislike the direction of the propaganda.

Mein Kampf is not banned in my country, I can buy it, and I think everybody should be able to read it.

You cannot defend against something you don't understand.

Reading it (or the little red book), you will notice there is nothing incredible about it.

It's a good way to understand the banality of evil.

It's a good way to see what currently in our society echoes it: we are not freed from evil, it can come back any time.

And the "push on unsuspecting children" narrative is worn out. Nobody push such dangerous book on children unless already twisted. Nobody ever told me "read it, it's good for you". Everybody always said: "dangerous book, read it with history in mind", if they ever talked about it.

We push Harry Potter on kids, not Mein Kampf.

Re: The Dangers of Microsoft Pluton

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Post by Sakos »

hgazx wrote: post #72

Regardless, I think that the pc platform deserves a good anti cheat solution. Separating the groups of those who have a good anti cheat system enabled (such as this) and those who don’t is a good compromise for everybody. I think more reasonable companies such as Valve will go that way.

Anything that prevents me from modding or cheating in my single player games is anathema to me. And companies like Activision, Ubisoft and Rockstar would love a hardware-based system that takes control away from gamers.

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Post by 29athrowaway »

npteljes wrote: post #124
Aeolun wrote: post #89

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> if you have root Because god forbid you have control of your own PC?

Yep! Basically, it's safer if you don't own your PC. Think about users with a million toolbars and Bonzi Buddy installed. Of course, the system for it is rudimentary, and puts a disproportionate amount of control in the hands of providers. And that works very well for them too.

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Re: The Dangers of Microsoft Pluton

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Post by 29athrowaway »

This is basically a form of collusion and monopoly between Microsoft and CPU manufacturers.

Microsoft has already tried to monopolize the PC consumer market before. And back then the risks were tiny compared to what is at stake now.

https://www.justice.gov/atr/us-v-microsoft-courts-findings-f...

Re: The Dangers of Microsoft Pluton

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Post by _8j50 »

HVCI is truly revolutionary, you can no longer just dump lsass and get credentials if it is enabled among other use cases.

But to me, this all looks like MS building a house of cards again. If I am writing a rootkit or other malware why can I not use this to make sure only the compromised devices secure processor can read the contents of memory or does defender get a pass?! A defender/analyst won't also be able to dump ram with volatility or a custom driver to analyze the malware/implant? No microsoft solution would prevent a user from downloading and running an executable entirely so malicious code would run, but can it now hide from security solutions? What part of HVCI am I missing?

As far as the rest of it, it will break legitimate use cases for users so I don't expect it to be a default anytime soon. I hate the remote attestation stuff but my hope is it will either fizzle out or regulations will be put in place for enabling user control of the secure computing private key for personally owned devices because code you can't introspect or keys you can't manage should not exist on a device you own (not license).

Re: The Dangers of Microsoft Pluton

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Post by tpxl »

zaptheimpaler wrote: post #119
bodge5000 wrote: post #108

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Could this be disabled by the user? Presumably doing so would mean you cannot boot Windows, but if thats a trade off Microsoft is forcing me to make, I'll accept it. If you can't, it goes without saying that that is unacceptable

You can disable it for now. But there is no guarantee that you will always be able to. Personally I think its very likely MS will eventually push to strongarm OEMs into locking secure boot to be enabled. All it will take is another round of "security improvements" and the public eats it up. The market would then fragment into laptops that can only run Windows and maybe more expensive laptops that allow you to disable…

> more expensive laptops that allow you to disable secure boot

This makes me sad. Old low-powered laptops with a light-weight distro are a joy to see and give out to family members to browse the web.

Re: The Dangers of Microsoft Pluton

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Post by 29athrowaway »

aaronbrethorst wrote: post #59
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #52

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The capacity for abuse is huge, way beyong the potential benefits. From the USA, we get news of banned book in some states. When I read that, my head goes back to my european history, and I reach the Godwin point very quickly. Those kind of people will abuse such system to prevent things to be shared. It will be used for putting DRM on everything and create a more and more closed web. It will be used by corporations…

Ron DeSantis doesn't need hardware-level DRM to ban math books. https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2022/05/06/florida-ba... If you're worried about book bannings in states like Florida, DeSantis is up for reelection in just over 3 months . Go volunteer or donate money to his opponent (probably Charlie Crist).

Have you read the books being banned?
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