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The Dangers of Microsoft Pluton

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Re: The Dangers of Microsoft Pluton

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Post by pjmlp »

SQueeeeeL wrote: post #24
userbinator wrote: post #11

What is to prevent school WiFi from one day requiring a Pluton assertion that your Windows PC hasn’t been tampered with before you can join the network? Remote attestation is the true enemy of your freedom. The power of the authoritarian corporatocracy to force you to use only the (entire) systems they control. It's worth reading https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.en.html again just to see how prescient Sta…

Damn, now I'm nostalgic for the older days of hacker news where RMS was quoted every other post. The community is forgetting it's roots.

The community has long forgotten those roots the day they started pushing for anti-GPL licenses.

Re: The Dangers of Microsoft Pluton

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Post by fsflover »

pjmlp wrote: post #56
selfhoster11 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FUD is no longer FUD when it becomes a realistic danger. Given that remote attestation already had deleterious effects for user freedoms on smartphones and tablets (meaning, choose between banking apps and any deviation from the factory ROM), Pluton should be seen as a danger.

Smartphones and tablets are electronic gadgets. If you want a general purpose computer get a laptop. Most likely one sold by Linux OEMs, like Tuxedo and System76.

Librem 5 and Pinephone smartphones are general-purpose computers.

Re: The Dangers of Microsoft Pluton

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Post by bigiain »

ajvs wrote: post #87
aaronbrethorst wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ron DeSantis doesn't need hardware-level DRM to ban math books. https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2022/05/06/florida-ba... If you're worried about book bannings in states like Florida, DeSantis is up for reelection in just over 3 months . Go volunteer or donate money to his opponent (probably Charlie Crist).

Mein Kampf is a banned book which I don't think many would disagree with. There are many other such books filled with propaganda that are rightly banned. I don't see why other propaganda-filled books that are being pushed on unsuspecting children shouldn't be banned too, unless the only reason is that you dislike the direction of the propaganda.

> I don't see why other propaganda-filled books that are being pushed on unsuspecting children shouldn't be banned too

Face book, for example…

:sigh:

Re: The Dangers of Microsoft Pluton

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Post by pjmlp »

fsflover wrote: post #102
pjmlp wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Smartphones and tablets are electronic gadgets. If you want a general purpose computer get a laptop. Most likely one sold by Linux OEMs, like Tuxedo and System76.

Librem 5 and Pinephone smartphones are general-purpose computers.

Up to the community to prove their have a market value to be kept around and aren't yet another OpenMoko.

Re: The Dangers of Microsoft Pluton

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Post by plmu »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #44
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not really worried myself that alternative Operating Systems will be locked out. However, I am concerned that the functionality of alternative Operating Systems will be locked out. If you see the (speculative but grounded) area near the end of the article - imagine if assertion becomes popular for things such as games or digital movies or the school WiFi. Your Linux PC will never be able to do that, and WINE (pro…

> imagine if assertion becomes popular for things such as [...] digital movies You don't need that. Streaming is already crippled on Linux. Hell, Netflix won't even stream full quality on Chrome! > https://help.netflix.com/en/node/13444 4K Ultra HD on a computer Netflix is available in Ultra HD on Windows and Mac computers with: Microsoft Edge for Windows Windows app for Windows 10 and Windows 11 Safari for MacOS 11.…

I have netflix, but also a usenet server account and many TB of disk. I might cancel the first, if the added value becomes too small.

Re: The Dangers of Microsoft Pluton

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Post by dTal »

ajvs wrote: post #87
aaronbrethorst wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ron DeSantis doesn't need hardware-level DRM to ban math books. https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2022/05/06/florida-ba... If you're worried about book bannings in states like Florida, DeSantis is up for reelection in just over 3 months . Go volunteer or donate money to his opponent (probably Charlie Crist).

Mein Kampf is a banned book which I don't think many would disagree with. There are many other such books filled with propaganda that are rightly banned. I don't see why other propaganda-filled books that are being pushed on unsuspecting children shouldn't be banned too, unless the only reason is that you dislike the direction of the propaganda.

Call me biased but I do indeed regard "the Jews are an evil scourge" to be more worthy of banning than "climate change is real".

Re: The Dangers of Microsoft Pluton

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Post by bodge5000 »

zaptheimpaler wrote: post #100
bodge5000 wrote: post #80

Just to be clear, is this a case where you can't dual boot windows and another OS, or you can't boot another OS at all (in either case, the other OS being non Microsoft authorised)? Or something else entirely? Would it be possible to disable this at all, even that means you can't boot Windows?

You cannot boot the other OS at all if secure boot is enabled and Microsoft drops support for the 3rd party UEFI CA list. The machine will refuse to boot any kernel that has not been signed by the CAs already included in the machine. This is typically only Microsoft and sometimes the OEM like Lenovo or Dell.

Could this be disabled by the user? Presumably doing so would mean you cannot boot Windows, but if thats a trade off Microsoft is forcing me to make, I'll accept it.

If you can't, it goes without saying that that is unacceptable

Re: The Dangers of Microsoft Pluton

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Post by [deleted] »

ftyhbhyjnjk wrote: post #50
Gh0stRAT wrote: post #46

I'm completely missing how his example of a Word document that can only be opened by approved users on approved hardware within the corporation is supposed to be a bad thing. Honestly, that sounds pretty fantastic. I've been using 3rd party tools/extensions to do this sort of thing in corporate and government environments for years, but having the attestation go all the way down to the hardware level is a big value-a…

What you can install on YOUR pc will be at the sole mercy of microsoft/or maybe someone else.... That's the cusp of it. Not that it can be used for good, but that it sets the way for heavy misuse by large corporations. Wait a few years. Smaller companies won't even be allowed to order high end cpu's. You'll be at 100% mercy of these corporations. If after 2 years they decide to brick your pc, they'll just do it. You…

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Re: The Dangers of Microsoft Pluton

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Post by dvdkon »

eertvertvbw wrote: post #58
ftyhbhyjnjk wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you can install on YOUR pc will be at the sole mercy of microsoft/or maybe someone else.... That's the cusp of it. Not that it can be used for good, but that it sets the way for heavy misuse by large corporations. Wait a few years. Smaller companies won't even be allowed to order high end cpu's. You'll be at 100% mercy of these corporations. If after 2 years they decide to brick your pc, they'll just do it. You…

still waiting on the secure boot lockdown everyone has insisted is coming for the better part of two decades...

It is a real thing on most phones, and has been for years. We're just lucky PCs haven't been crippled this way.
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