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Saudi Crown Prince unveils plans for $500bn structure to house 9M people

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Re: Saudi Crown Prince unveils plans for $500bn structure to house 9M people

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A circle is harder to build and has more issues regarding sunlight. The sun hitting the building(s) is both a benefit (solar cells) and a problem (heat generation) at the same time. A linear structure will get a much more even energy distribution than a circle. Also one of the goals of the project is to reduce the energy needs of the population by making ways shorter. If you spread a city out on a circle, you got a m…

I think transport would be infinitely worse in a linear city. In a traditional street network, there are many ways to get from A to B and one link being unavailable is not the end of the world. Forcing everyone onto essentially the same street is guaranteed to cause both high fragility and high congestion, since everyone has to squeeze into the same line.

There's no need to have only one line to connect everything, even in a linear structure. It's still about the topology.

At the simplest there would be one line connecting from end to end, which should be the fastest and the one with the fewest stops. But then you have smaller lines, travelling in their own tubes, connecting local areas. That way you can travel between any two points relatively fast and avoid congestion. You can build redundancy into this system. But also, it's not a catastrophe on a normally 20 minute trip if there is blocked section and you have to walk a few minutes, take a local connection to bypass the blockage and then go on. Happens to me all the time...

The big benefit in a linear city is that the transport pods never need to turn around. You also don't need to manufacture curved rails or things like that. You can build structures like that in a "2D" city, but it's harder.

Re: Saudi Crown Prince unveils plans for $500bn structure to house 9M people

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A circle is harder to build and has more issues regarding sunlight. The sun hitting the building(s) is both a benefit (solar cells) and a problem (heat generation) at the same time. A linear structure will get a much more even energy distribution than a circle. Also one of the goals of the project is to reduce the energy needs of the population by making ways shorter. If you spread a city out on a circle, you got a m…

I think transport would be infinitely worse in a linear city. In a traditional street network, there are many ways to get from A to B and one link being unavailable is not the end of the world. Forcing everyone onto essentially the same street is guaranteed to cause both high fragility and high congestion, since everyone has to squeeze into the same line.

Most people in Hong Kong don't own a car, it's just not necessary due to the high density. This city is expected to to be ~15 times as dense as Hong Kong.

Re: Saudi Crown Prince unveils plans for $500bn structure to house 9M people

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Why so tall? First plans we saw were underground structures.

Humans really haven't figured out a cheap way to dig a lot of dirt yet. It's also painfully slow.

It's about $175 per cubic meter if you have a huge project and are able to benefit from any economies of scale. A cubic meter is about 1.5 tons of soil.

And then you've got to truck all that dirt somewhere.

Re: Saudi Crown Prince unveils plans for $500bn structure to house 9M people

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$500 billion..and to think bezos + musk + one google fonder can fund this alone. crazy but it would probably cost way more than $500 billion

Already reports of the project being unable to retain key executives because of irrational demands by government officials. [0] This is going to be much harder than anyone realizes. 0: https://www.wsj.com/articles/expatriate-executives-flee-saud...

Its going to be an unmitigated disaster!

9M residents housed, 170 km traveled in 20 minutes- all for the low low price of 0.5T USD. An obsession with narrowing the width of the city to 100m! This is some kind of "visionary fantasy" of an idiot who has become a dictator. Sounds like a plan a 10 year old would chalk up.

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