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Instagram gets worse with dark patterns lifted from TikTok

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Re: Instagram gets worse with dark patterns lifted from TikTok

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This author is describing stuff they are only affected by -- niche whining. "I don't know about you but I'm on vibrate all the time" etc. The pause/unpause vs sound muting has been forever on videos/reels. I'd say this is in line with general OS changes that leave all volume controls to the OS and people are just getting more used to going there to control that (i.e. in Android 13 etc). It's hardly a dark pattern, especially if you're not constantly performing tasks with different audio levels. Many will have already set their audio levels and are ready to go.

And then with the Reels 'flipping' mode of browsing. Also been a core facet of the Reels-specific UI area for a long time now. It may not be the most fun for you but it's not new and many who hang out in that area will be comfortable with it.

Yes, Instagram's copying of annoying things from TikTok and general decline on quality of content experience etc is a common gripe, but that's it, it's a common gripe and part of an ongoing evolution that ppl have been commenting on for ages. Not new. There's a lot of manual finessing that can be done to help the balance of ads and curation you get in your IG experience and it just takes work, all is not lost to the algorithm. People seem lazy and at odds with IG's business goals but that doesn't mean the whole thing has gone out the window.

Re: Instagram gets worse with dark patterns lifted from TikTok

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post #2

Is the Tucker Carlson story few days back, about the tiktok algo promoting edu and wholesome content within China, but twerking and gender transition in the west true?

You mean the story by the guy that (successfully!) used this legal defense in court:

> The "'general tenor' of the show should then inform a viewer that [Carlson] is not 'stating actual facts' about the topics he discusses and is instead engaging in 'exaggeration' and 'non-literal commentary.'

and

> Fox persuasively argues, that given Mr. Carlson's reputation, any reasonable viewer 'arrive[s] with an appropriate amount of skepticism' about the statement he makes."

So if even the guys lawyers tell you any reasonable person would take him with a grain of salt, I would assume that everything he says is indeed exaggerated and non-literal as they phrase it. Or phrased differently: he will say what he thinks his audience wants to hear. What he says might be completely made up, have some important bits omitted or contain a kernel of truth with a truckload of fantasy.

From a European perspective this guy seems so over the top that I thought it was meant to be parody when I first saw a clip from him.

source: https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/917747123/you-literally-cant-...

Re: Instagram gets worse with dark patterns lifted from TikTok

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I should specify that I am an iOS engineer.

Let the lifelong learning continue? ;)

Yep, getting into some hobbies lately to spark some passion, since I already have one eye out the door.

Re: Instagram gets worse with dark patterns lifted from TikTok

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Instagram was trending down but has taken a dive in recent months. Just an unbearable proportion of ads and lame suggested content. You end up playing whack-a-mole trying to get it to stop showing you rubbish.

It had been a not-insignificant part of my work but now I just resent using it at all.

Re: Instagram gets worse with dark patterns lifted from TikTok

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TikTok and Facebook’s antics (existence?) have me seriously considering quitting tech. I feel like no matter what I do, I am feeding one of these societal cancers by implementing tracking for whoever is paying me currently, lifting dark patterns, etc, using the API of Google… I tried to avoid doing these things for awhile but nobody pays me to be ethical. My only marketable skill is software development and I pretty…

> I tried to avoid doing these things for awhile but nobody pays me to be ethical.

it's because any way to make money that is currently legal (but some might consider unethical) is the fittest agent in the darwinian natural selection of economic competition.

So any ethical businesses who forgo a more profitable, but slightly less ethical method, would be out-competed. Over time, therefore, what remains must be businesses whose ethical consideration is trumped by profit considerations.

Instagram is following this exactly - tiktok has better retention and user engagement using the dark patterns, and instagram would not survive if they can't keep up.

So it's really up to the law to set the standard. Akin to how in the old days, environmental protection laws don't exist, and the environment is polluted, there needs to be laws to protect the consumer's "digital environment". Unfortunately, the law is slow to catchup - i doubt i will see it in my life time, and often, the law only catches up after significant damage has been done.

Re: Instagram gets worse with dark patterns lifted from TikTok

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This author is describing stuff they are only affected by -- niche whining. "I don't know about you but I'm on vibrate all the time" etc. The pause/unpause vs sound muting has been forever on videos/reels. I'd say this is in line with general OS changes that leave all volume controls to the OS and people are just getting more used to going there to control that (i.e. in Android 13 etc). It's hardly a dark pattern, es…

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Re: Instagram gets worse with dark patterns lifted from TikTok

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TikTok and Facebook’s antics (existence?) have me seriously considering quitting tech. I feel like no matter what I do, I am feeding one of these societal cancers by implementing tracking for whoever is paying me currently, lifting dark patterns, etc, using the API of Google… I tried to avoid doing these things for awhile but nobody pays me to be ethical. My only marketable skill is software development and I pretty…

You can still work in the fintech or automotive sectors where you won't have to do ads. Most people I've talked with that were doing frontend and one who was doing Java were all working on ad related stuff. A disproportionate waste of time and energy.

Re: Instagram gets worse with dark patterns lifted from TikTok

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TikTok and Facebook’s antics (existence?) have me seriously considering quitting tech. I feel like no matter what I do, I am feeding one of these societal cancers by implementing tracking for whoever is paying me currently, lifting dark patterns, etc, using the API of Google… I tried to avoid doing these things for awhile but nobody pays me to be ethical. My only marketable skill is software development and I pretty…

After working for so many companies that went down the surveillance capitalism path I finally decided I would only work on security and privacy projects. It turns out even with this limitation I have had endless job options. So much so I decided to start my own consulting company so I could pick and choose the most interesting projects across many non-survcap companies.

I am a -lot- happier. Also as an independent contractor I have more control of the tools I use and am free to use and support only open source software on my workstations.

Re: Instagram gets worse with dark patterns lifted from TikTok

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post #20

Nothing in this article about how pictures work. Are they gone? Can I still see my friends pictures? I still have the old UI.

You can still see your friend’s pictures but the feed is a mix of suggested content and people you follow with a heavily tilt towards reels. Instagram has essentially done a copy paste of TikTok’s business model.
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