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Ask HN: Leaving Germany – where to find quality of life as experienced engineer?

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Re: Ask HN: Leaving Germany – where to find quality of life as experienced engineer?

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Nothing like moving abroad for a while to appreciate good old Germany. I centered my life abroad and I'm not likely to move back but I'm getting nostalgic ;) This is a bit rant-y, and some of this may be US-centric but I think it will apply to equatorial countries as well. I think you should totally move abroad - if you stay for only 1-2 years you'll not want even to move back, after 5-10 years you start to appreciat…

Thanks for taking the time and putting all those points together. I see the con's and I am sure, that's nothing what we're especially looking forward to. But especially the pro's got totally eroded over here. At least from my point of view. There is hardly any reasonable equality, the social divide is IMO mostly based on that. Low crime and violence ... once was. We live in one of the "better" parts of Berlin, nevert…

I'd like to say again that imo there's not much downside to trying. It may end up not being better in all the ways you'd hoped but surprise in so many other ways. It will most definitely be a great experience that will shape and enrich your lives.

Another option might be to maybe just leave Berlin for a different part of Germany or move to another European country. Portugal is very nice, lower COL and I've heard of techies moving there. It wouldn't make a huge difference in taxes but general cost of living should be lower and afaik no visa and work permit issues.

Re: Ask HN: Leaving Germany – where to find quality of life as experienced engineer?

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Come down to Australia. The tech scene is just CRUD apps but quality of life is pretty amazing. Comparable to Switzerland for median income people imo, Switzerland is still better if you are poor but don't think that applies here, since you alone on a Software Eng would put your family to above average income. Relatively low tax (caps off at 30% for most people if/when the new tax legislation goes through, perhaps no…

There is no freedom in Australia, the government is doing whatever they want to people. Look at how they handled COVID: rolled out restrictions, punishing their own citizen to a degree any "normal" country/government wouldn't do, etc.

Just to put this in context Australia had an election eight weeks ago in which the government was changed. There's any number of reasons for the outcome of the election but this suggests that the governments in Australia are not free to do whatever they want.

Re: Ask HN: Leaving Germany – where to find quality of life as experienced engineer?

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Certainly the lady had a point, as you do. Berlin is not representative of Germany in almost any respect, or?

Sure, there is a open drug scene in parks in Berlin, but there is no such thing in Stuttgart or Munich. Historically the germans travelled to Holland to buy their drugs and it's still the main drug distribution hub in europe.

I struggle to understand how come Dutch people allow such levels of drug production in ther soil.

Re: Ask HN: Leaving Germany – where to find quality of life as experienced engineer?

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Certainly the lady had a point, as you do. Berlin is not representative of Germany in almost any respect, or?

Sure, there is a open drug scene in parks in Berlin, but there is no such thing in Stuttgart or Munich. Historically the germans travelled to Holland to buy their drugs and it's still the main drug distribution hub in europe.

It's the main distribution hub, but for usage as long as you stay away from Amsterdam it is really not bad. It's also the primary Ecstasy manufacturer for the EU, this is just a trade thing.

Re: Ask HN: Leaving Germany – where to find quality of life as experienced engineer?

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Sure, there is a open drug scene in parks in Berlin, but there is no such thing in Stuttgart or Munich. Historically the germans travelled to Holland to buy their drugs and it's still the main drug distribution hub in europe.

I struggle to understand how come Dutch people allow such levels of drug production in ther soil.

What is there to understand? Drugs = money

Re: Ask HN: Leaving Germany – where to find quality of life as experienced engineer?

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Portland metro still has very nice houses for much less that 1.5MM

I've thought about washington state, but that is more expensive. no state tax ... so maybe that is why real estate costs more.

Oregon has no sales tax

Re: Ask HN: Leaving Germany – where to find quality of life as experienced engineer?

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Interesting thread, many insights on a topic where wisdom is hard won. That said, I read OPs complaints about polarization and taxes, and I wonder if Latin America might address some of these issues? (Slightly tongue in cheek) Your status as a foreigner will make people more forgiving of your ignorance of local political issues, and also interested when you make comparisons to foreign perspectives (especially coming…

> That said, I read OPs complaints about polarization and taxes, and I wonder if Latin America might address some of these issues Thank you, that somehow nails it. Some countries on our to-be-checked-list are in Latin America. A personal minus is, that both of us don't speak spanish or portugese. Nevertheless we will dig deeper. Thanks for your opinion.

You could look into living as a digital nomad in Costa Rica for 2 years. A recent bill was passed in July that will make it easier for foreigners to get a visa while working remotely. There's lots of folks from Europe and the US here, especially in the coastal areas, but there are many areas much more cheaper. Some perks you get are: full income tax exemption and no tax on personal equipment like computers.

Article in English: https://ticotimes.net/2022/07/12/costa-rica-digital-nomad-vi...

Re: Ask HN: Leaving Germany – where to find quality of life as experienced engineer?

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The price for small houses (often in terrible condition) around Berlin hovers in the range of 700-1000 T€, so if you don't have a lot of capital it can be hard. Banks like to charge freelancers a premium on the interest rate (as they can supposedly lose their income anytime, which often is just an excuse to extract more money from them...) or outright refuse to give them a loan unless they can provide a guarantee (e.…

Totally with you regarding all points you made. I believe in a horrible recession not only in Germany but also Europe lasting for longer than just 2 or 3 years. I also do believe, that the totally overheated housing market will crash very badly, which might open up interesting opportunities, once it happened. Still, all the other problems remained. However, thanks for your thoughts.

Personally, I don't think housing prices will collapse unless there are mass bankruptcies (like 2008/9 in the US). Inflation is going to eat some of the housing prices gains, but people will just not put their house on the market for lower prices unless they have to.

I don't think many people will sell when their real estate agent tells them that they're house is now worth 200k less than last year (or the neighbor's house that just sold), they'll just keep paying the mortgage and wait for the market to improve.

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