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Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by justsomehnguy » Mon, Jul 25, 2022, 10:25 AM UTC

smsm42 wrote: post #466

justsomehnguy wrote: post #372

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> and I trust him that he did Trust him more. This anecdote is as old as couchette cars.

It probably happened many times in the past too. This culture is not new.

Your assumption what this behaviour is exclusive for Russians is naive at best, but your relying on the anecdote (of a person you never ever met!) is borderline stupid.

Also take a dive into Reddit most popular subreddits[0] - you will find such behaviour en masse and I will wait here for your explanation how Soviets could instill this culture into Americans.

[0] https://old.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/

https://old.reddit.com/r/entitledparents/

https://old.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/

Those three would have more than enough examples of an entitled behaviour.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by spacemanmatt » Mon, Jul 25, 2022, 12:20 PM UTC

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I haven't answered you because I'm afraid, but because you're way off topic & behaving like a bully. The last time I was there, even the Russian airport security interrogators were more polite than you...

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Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by 93po » Mon, Jul 25, 2022, 3:52 PM UTC

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It needs the ability to lift and remove pieces from the board too, which can't be done with magnets

https://youtu.be/AQLOj-TylGg The board can be designed in such a way that magnets always work.

neat!

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by throwaway0x7E6 » Mon, Jul 25, 2022, 4:13 PM UTC

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oh wow, really? totally missed that in the news. I was wondering why did all twitter they/them suddenly put that flag in their username

Since we're on that note, Russia is openly oppressive to queer people. It's illegal to say anything in public that suggests it's acceptable to be gay after a recent change in "gay propaganda" laws. Ramzan Kadyrov, the de-facto tsar of the subdued republic of Ichkeria (aka Chechnya as a part of Russian Federation) has openly ran an extermination campaign against gay people. So "they/them" worldwide do have a reason to…

thank you for telling me this, but I'm already aware that Russia is based.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by dang » Mon, Jul 25, 2022, 7:17 PM UTC

foverzar wrote: post #241

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It's not cartoonish, it's the culture. Of course it's not homogenous - you can find a lot of people that go against the mainstream. In a hyper-macho culture you can find males who are shy and sensitive, in an introverted culture valuing privacy and closeness you can find people who are extroverted and exuberant, in a culture where accepting blame is not encouraged you can find a lot of people that will readily do tha…

Dude, you are just projecting your spite. This would be laughable if I didn't know you were serious. So it's actually just scary how how you make things up.

Please don't cross into personal attack, no matter how wrong someone is or you feel they are. It just makes everything worse.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

I realize that's not easy on divisive, emotionally charged topics, but everyone commenting here is required to try.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by dang » Mon, Jul 25, 2022, 7:19 PM UTC

All: nationalistic flamewar is not ok on HN, regardless of which country you have a problem with. Yes, there is a war going on. That makes following this rule harder, and also makes it more important.

The level to which many commenters stooped in this thread was shameful. Please review the site guidelines and stick to them if you want to keep commenting here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Note this one in particular: "Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive."

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by dang » Mon, Jul 25, 2022, 7:23 PM UTC

foverzar wrote: post #238

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> This just screams negligence to me. This is very much a default mode for ex-USSR countries, especially russia. While russian bureocracy is extremely procedural, it has nothing to do with efficiency or safety (most of the regulations and laws in post-soviet countries are written not to increase safety or utility for population, but for controlling power and money flows and benefeting someone on the top).

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Please don't take HN threads further into nationalistic flamewar. I know how incredibly frustrating and upsetting it is to be representing a minority point of view amid a majority who say a lot of ignorant things, as majorities everywhere do. But you still have to follow the rules, even from that position. They are here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html, and if you'd please review them and stick to them in the future, we'd appreciate it.

It's also very much in your interest to do so, because when you lash out, as you did here and in other places in this thread, you only reinforce the position you're arguing against and discredit the truth you're trying to represent.

I've tried to explain this same point to other users in similar situations in the past. Perhaps some of those explanations would be helpful, if you or anyone want to take a look: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor....

One consequence of this dynamic is that the burden is much higher on the person arguing for a minority or contrarian view. You can make the point that this is not fair, and indeed the unfairness gets intensely worse, the stronger everyone's emotions are. Nonetheless, it's just the way it is. Fair or not, it's in your interest to develop the capacity to resist these temptations, and fair or not, we end up having to ban the accounts that won't—not because they're wrong, or because we disagree, but because the forum won't survive if we allow people to keep breaking these rules.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by dang » Mon, Jul 25, 2022, 7:42 PM UTC

smsm42 wrote: post #90

It's Russia we're talking about. In Russia, the default mode of answering any complaint is "it's your own fault, we're not responsible, go away". It's not only on the big political scene - it's everywhere, from a village grocery store to a national federation. If you admit any mistake and any responsibility for anything, you're an idiot and a "loch" (pronounced the same as Scottish lake, but means a person to be take…

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32209674.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by smsm42 » Mon, Jul 25, 2022, 7:51 PM UTC

gdy wrote: post #489

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The interesting part is a cynical attempt to use a Western culture war weapon in order to promote Russia, which rejects Western values and hates and wants to destroy both sides.

You are quite mistaken. The notion of hate speech is not unique for Western culture. Article 282 in Russian Criminal Codex exists since Eltsin time (1996) and addresses incitement of hatred on racial, religious and ethnic grounds. It itself is based on similar article from Soviet times (1960). In 2003 it was extended by Putin in include hate speech based on gender, language, origin and social stratum. You can read th…

> The notion of hate speech is not unique for Western culture.

Of course not. But you are using it as a weapon agains Western culture, trying to trigger it into self-harm. Not because you care about Western values and not promoting hate, but because you see a vulnerability that you could exploit - tell somebody "it's hate speech" and they'd run in panic. Except the trick is now obvious, so it won't work.

> Article 282 in Russian Criminal Codex

Oh the lovely 282, how we all adore it. Of course totalitarian dictatorship that rules Russia now will suppress speech, and 282 is where it started (now there are more, of course, it never stops). Only then it was "extremist" speech. I don't need to read TASS (blergh! these guys actually kept SS in their name - all you need to know about them, really) to know about 282, thank you very much. But nobody here cares about 282. You can not deploy 282 here to suppress speech you don't like. So you call it "hate speech" instead, hoping to solicit culture war reaction that you know exists in the West and thus avoid discussing the real issues.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by romwell » Mon, Jul 25, 2022, 10:26 PM UTC

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The fact that the article and the discussion are ignoring the war, which is the elephant in the room. Discussing Russian tech and status symbols (like chess-playing robots) is giving that pariah state a veneer of legitimacy it may not have any longer.

Ignoring would presume that the war is somewhat relevant to chess. Also Russia has plenty of legitimacy, both before and after the Ukraine invasion, as much as it seemingly pains you to admit that.

Russian Chess has, and always has been, a tool in their international politics. As is any sport on a national level.

The war has affected Russia's ability to participate in sports on the international level. The war has relevance to the discussion of sports, including chess, absolutely everywhere - except HackerNews, it seems.

>Also Russia has plenty of legitimacy, both before and after the Ukraine invasion

No pain in admitting it. It still has legitimacy (as did Nazi Germany up until it lost the war).

It should have none.