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Ask HN: I'm in a rut. How did you get out of yours?

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Re: Ask HN: I'm in a rut. How did you get out of yours?

#121
First of all: I know this feeling really well. Get help from a professional when you have no family/friends you can talk to.

Second. You are not happy with your job. Fair enough. But that’s a common problem with young people. You don’t need to be happy with your job. You don’t need like your job. You likely not find a job which makes you happy. That’s a dream you get told every day by social media and ads which is just not true.

Third, your game: I just quit my job and tried for one year to a write just a game. I had a lot of time. My initial motivation was great. I thought to myself. I want to make a great game… But then. It all repeatet and I lost control about my life and how I want to live it. It’s like a deep hole. I’m also not depressed in the “classic” way you see on television. It’s more like you don’t see a perspective. A goal. Because every day you hear: YOU CAN DO ANYTHING. FIND YOUR DREAM JOB. And think: why are all so happy with there jobs.

I accepted that your job doesn’t need to make you happy. It’s ok to just earn money. It’s ok not to have this one idea that everybody loves. That’s not how the world works.

I work now 40hours as employee, 30 hours self employed and Ifound my goal: get money. Money to invest in something you love or invest in your hobby. Save it for later to build up your own company. Or what ever.

I was finally seeing when I found my love and my child spawned in our world.

I work harder then ever and hope someday we have enough money to retire without fearing to get poor.

Of course everybody sees this differently and have different experiences.

And the last: Be honest with your self and don’t lie to yourself. And be yourself. Get sober. No drugs. ADHD is not reason to be unhappy.

Re: Ask HN: I'm in a rut. How did you get out of yours?

#122
You don't perhaps have a nutrient deficiency? In my case it was an iron deficiency that crept up on me and made me lethargic for months before I got checked out by a GP.

I think depending on your diet, low iron, protein, salt and/or B vitamins intake can exacerbate the lethargic/burnout/lack-of-motivation funk you're in. Also just being constantly dehydrated ain't great.

Of course being unhappy at work is a massive deal and will impact all other parts of your life as well - but others have made suggestions around finding a new job. I just wanted to make mention of the nutrients stuff as a CTRL + F brought nothing up.

Re: Ask HN: I'm in a rut. How did you get out of yours?

#123
The biggest, most helpful shift in perspective that ever happened to me was this: external circumstances are generally downstream from your inner life, rather than upstream. You don't feel crappy and unmotivated because of how work/productivity/side projects are going. Rather, the state of your professional life is a reflection of your psyche at this point in time.

As a result, I wouldn't overthink the details of work/side game etc. right now. You need to understand and treat the underlying psychological problem that's making it hard to function. None of us can really speculate about that, so I'd recommend finding a therapist and/or psychiatrist you feel you can trust. Start thinking about what's happening to you in terms of symptoms and feelings, rather than to do lists and motivation. This is not something you're doing because you're weak or lazy, it's something that's happening to you, either because of your early life or because of your brain. The more pressure you put on yourself to "get out of a rut" through determination or reconfiguring your professional life, the deeper the rut will get.

Good luck! I hope you get the care you need soon, and that you can feel better. Once you do, the rest of life will sort itself out with no trouble.

Re: Ask HN: I'm in a rut. How did you get out of yours?

#125

Exercise, drop the drugs, ensure you have some part of your identity unrelated to work. I was in a rut for years because my work was my identity and I wasn’t where I wanted to be (thank you effective altruism for the identity crisis lol). When I moved out to California I quit drinking (for a while, quit again more recently), focused on exercising, and set a goal of not seeing my whole identity as a software developer…

Only thing I would add is get a partner if you don't have one already. Life is incredibly lonely to go through alone. I've heard that you can be happy alone for long periods, but I have never seen it in practice.

Re: Ask HN: I'm in a rut. How did you get out of yours?

#126
post #20

I feel similarly. The only reason I program anymore is because I'm being paid relatively well for sometimes 2-3 hours of work a day. My friends who are pharmacists cannot comprehend that I make more than them, while it seems I'm living carefree and have much more time than them. However, when the app I created halts, the thousands of dollars will add up quickly, while hundreds of employees are on the clock and no pro…

>validated negative view of the current society

can relate, especially about things out of my control e.g. banking system and monetary policy

Re: Ask HN: I'm in a rut. How did you get out of yours?

#127

Exercise, drop the drugs, ensure you have some part of your identity unrelated to work. I was in a rut for years because my work was my identity and I wasn’t where I wanted to be (thank you effective altruism for the identity crisis lol). When I moved out to California I quit drinking (for a while, quit again more recently), focused on exercising, and set a goal of not seeing my whole identity as a software developer…

I agree, at least in spirit. I exercise 2 hours per day, 5 times a week, and eat healthy food: vegetables, protein, no snacks, low sugar, low salt, no ketchup, no mustard, no mayonnaise, no oil for cooking, basically anything doctors recommend, I do it, and I have been doing it for the last 5 years or so. Does it help? Probably. Do I still feel constant dread? Yes, every single day, but I learned to live with that fe…

You don't have to be militant about health/exercise to get real world positive effects out of it though. Many people talk about how much better they feel after a 30 min run in the morning shrug

Re: Ask HN: I'm in a rut. How did you get out of yours?

#128
post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah that’s now called undiagnosed ADHD, because that’s what it is.

Yeah, my motivation goes up when I smoke weed, not down. And it took me until I was an adult to realize that I was using weed to treat undiagnosed ADHD. I still enjoy smoking weed, but don't have a dependence on it to function now that I have a proper diagnosis and treatment.

Does the treatment involve other drugs? Just curious

Re: Ask HN: I'm in a rut. How did you get out of yours?

#129
I hate to sound like one of those podcast bros who thinks psychedelics are a quick fix for all ills. But anyway here's a thing:

I did an ayahuasca ceremony during a rut I had a few years back. I didn't see the face of God or anything. But I got a clear insight that all I really wanted to do was teach and write, and that my coding work was ideally in service of those first two goals. I definitely attribute the rut-breaking to this.

If it helps give context, I also have ADHD, and it plays a big role in my routines, productivity practices, and how I maintain my mental health. I am also religious about sleep, meditation, diet, exercise, and waking early (all of which help manage the ADHD). So, as others have pointed out, one should make sure those boxes are checked before experimenting with sources of epiphany.

Re: Ask HN: I'm in a rut. How did you get out of yours?

#130

Exercise, drop the drugs, ensure you have some part of your identity unrelated to work. I was in a rut for years because my work was my identity and I wasn’t where I wanted to be (thank you effective altruism for the identity crisis lol). When I moved out to California I quit drinking (for a while, quit again more recently), focused on exercising, and set a goal of not seeing my whole identity as a software developer…

> ensure you have some part of your identity unrelated to work

I don't want to be that guy, but this is one thing religion helps with.

If your identity is based on anything physical (e.g. family, money, looks, career, etc.) it's fragile and can be lost easily, but if it's a constant not part of the physical world, it can help live life more resiliently.

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