Google Launches Carbon, an Experimental Replacement for C++

Post by htyden » Mon, Jul 25, 2022, 3:34 PM UTC

epicide wrote: post #45

pkolaczk wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Rust isn't any more complex, but it's not radically simpler either. Safe Rust doesn't have classes, inheritance, copy constructors, move constructors, header files, preprocessor, textual substitution macros, code executing before main(), exceptions, global variables, pointer arithmetic... Looks radically simpler to me.

In general, I think it's easy to conflate simplicity with ease. Ease is always a matter of context and what one is familiar with. I agree that Rust is simpler than C++ and I think a lot of people mean that Rust isn't easier (up front). Given how new and different it can be, that makes sense.

Post by jsnell » Mon, Jul 25, 2022, 3:37 PM UTC

rajman187 wrote: post #96

While I have not had time to check this out, more generally whenever I read “Google launches…” I wonder how long until it makes it into the ever-growing graveyard? [1] https://killedbygoogle.com/ [2] https://gcemetery.co/

Post by nottorp » Mon, Jul 25, 2022, 3:38 PM UTC

nicoburns wrote: post #31

hbossy wrote: post #5

var r : i32; How is this any better than int32_t r; ? all I see is additional, unnecessary keyword to type.

I can't see details of the Carbon syntax for pointer, array and function types, but this is where Rust's type syntax really excels compared to the C++ style. let foo : & fn(&[MyType], i32) -> String = ... (a reference to a function that takes a slice and a 32bit signed integer as arguments and returns a string) is dramatically simpler than the C/C++ equivalent. More subjectively, I find `var` or equivalent makes code…

Post by BitwiseFool » Mon, Jul 25, 2022, 3:41 PM UTC

dzonga wrote: post #23

robmccoll wrote: post #19

I'm probably just biased, but to me the problem with modern C++ is its complexity. The mental model of the language, its syntax, and the amount of history / number of interfaces a programmer needs to be familiar with to be productive are all too large. Rust isn't any more complex, but it's not radically simpler either. Carbon doesn't look like it solves this problem. It would seem that creating a language that is exp…

to me that's the greatest benefit of C++ and hence why it's so successful. it's kitchen sink language. choose what features you want. choose your own style. you wanna do OOP | DOP suit yourself. that versatility is why C++ is unmatched in terms of where it's deployed.

Post by cesarb » Mon, Jul 25, 2022, 3:41 PM UTC

qorrect wrote: post #111

cute_boi wrote: post #72

"The keepers of C++ prioritize backward compatibility, in order to continue to support widely-used projects such as Linux" I thought Linux was C only and Linus is actively hostile against cpp for some good reasons.

> I thought Linux was C only It won't be for long (Rust) https://thenewstack.io/rust-in-the-linux-kernel-by-2023-linu... . But I don't expect C++ to be added.