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What’s the end goal for you programmers?
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#62The goal of capitalism is to escape capitalism. I supposed this qualifies as retire early.
The only reason I do any job is because the structure of our society demands I earn money to survive. I must spend my time doing what someone else wants me to do if I want food, shelter, water, comfort, etc.
My only goal is to wake up every morning and be able to spend all of my time as I choose to spend it. I will still occasionally create software, as I enjoy doing so. But mostly I will do other things.
Re: What’s the end goal for you programmers?
#63The goal of capitalism is to escape capitalism. I supposed this qualifies as retire early. The only reason I do any job is because the structure of our society demands I earn money to survive. I must spend my time doing what someone else wants me to do if I want food, shelter, water, comfort, etc. My only goal is to wake up every morning and be able to spend all of my time as I choose to spend it. I will still occasi…
100% this
your goal as a employee is to make the stakeholders rich
if you disagree, start your own business and own your IP
if you cannot, stay a peasant for ever
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#64Before becoming a professional programmer, I programmed.
I now program for a living.
My hobbies also include learning new languages/frameworks/libraries, playing with frontend for my personal site (I'm not a frontend dev in $DAY_JOB) and reading on the history of computing (although I have non-programing hobbies).
When I'm retired I'll probably keep on doing it.
I don't know if there's an end goal. I guess this is not just for programmers. I imagine many chefs are the same way. Cook for a living, cook at home, read books about exotic foods, make a nice meal. That's pretty much it.
I've read some time ago a discussion on how people that code most of their waking hours are an "unfair" competition to programmers that just want to do it 9 to 5. Believe me, I'm no competition. I'll be probably reading on how to make nice SVG flowers in Forth at 1am.
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Developers in their 20s are definitely overpaid Why?
Compared to people who do useful stuff. Like you know, teachers, healthcare workers, etc.
Its beyond that now, they're often paid more than doctors, lawyers, pilots, managers, traders, professors, just about everyone.
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
Given enough contiguous blocks of time I could see that. Unfortunately my only option is to save and retire ASAP.
What do you mean - you don't have 30 mins per day to go walk / jog? Does it not worry you that you may never able to actually retire and have bad physical health on top?
30 minutes isn't much contiguous time and would probably be a net-negative in my goals, even when considering health benefits. It does worry me that I may retire in bad health but I'm saving as fast as I can to avoid that. I'm also speed-running to ensure I will have the time I need to help my parents as they get older. In any case, I am confident I will be able to retire (I nearly have the funds).
To be clear, I'm definitely burnt out. At this point I don't see any way out besides ER. There just aren't jobs out there that use my skills without demanding 30-70 hour weeks.
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#67> We make so much money very early in our careers that it’s very easy to lose track of what the end goal is. That's highly depending on your industry and country(s) you are in. In Singapore you can live a relatively OK living, but it is far from rich. In India unless you are working for FAANG your bring home will be good, but far from "so much". --- To answer the question in general. I think programming definitely gi…
> for most of the applications we build we definitely are going to make the world slightly better no you won’t what you will be doing instead is help make some stakeholders richer (and they don’t give a F about making the world better) if you really want to try make the world better, then start volunteering and start helping those in need
> if you really want to try make the world better, then start volunteering and start helping those in need
Yes and no. Some of the issues can be solved by volunteering, but some of the technical progress have to done by software.
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#68How about “make the world a better place?”
"Make the world a better place" is an primary element of Ikigai: https://www.mindtools.com/blog/whats-your-ikigai/
but, not the only one.
Re: What’s the end goal for you programmers?
#69Before becoming a professional programmer, I programmed. I now program for a living. My hobbies also include learning new languages/frameworks/libraries, playing with frontend for my personal site (I'm not a frontend dev in $DAY_JOB) and reading on the history of computing (although I have non-programing hobbies). When I'm retired I'll probably keep on doing it. I don't know if there's an end goal. I guess this is no…
To me that seemingly irrelevant reading/doing is all still enhances the daytime facility.
And I don't think it's unfair any more than for automechanics or woodworkers or anything else.
If you're only in IT because it's seen as paying well, I can't express how little sympathy I have for that complaint.
Really just think about that, it's unfair that I spent a million hours figuring out how to get tech to do things instead of going to parties I wasn't invited to by those same people, and they didn't, and now I know how to do things and get paid for it, and that's unfair?
Unfair would be if you want to talk about the uneven distribution of the luxury and opportunity to spend a million hours playing with IT stuff. Not everyone has or had the access to the toys and the time to play with them, but you can say that about everything else also, like every musician or artist.
Is it unfair that their favorite guitarist really loved playing and practing 24/7 all their life? It's so unfair they can't just punch in somewhere at 9 and punch out at 5 and not e en like guitar or be very good at it, and still be a rock star?
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#70Once you are doing a job that you see as being in any way productive and adding to the world (vs parasitical) and of course can live on it, then that is already the end goal. The only other goal is just family and get as many years of that state of being as possible.