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What’s the end goal for you programmers?

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Re: What’s the end goal for you programmers?

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Post by akhmatova »

lezojeda wrote: post #25
rr888 wrote: post #15

Developers in their 20s are definitely overpaid. Whether this will continue will be interesting to see. Currently I see so many people trained in other fields becoming developers I'm almost worried about the future of the economy. Social Media, online retail, advertising - just how many people really can work in these fields? So yeah I expect wages to crash in the next 10-20 years. I think most high earning young peo…

>Developers in their 20s are definitely overpaid Why?

Compared to people who do useful stuff. Like you know, teachers, healthcare workers, etc.

Re: What’s the end goal for you programmers?

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Post by spacemanmatt »

lezojeda wrote: post #44
spacemanmatt wrote: post #36

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The 5 or 10 years experience they might have is pretty thin unless they have had extremely good mentoring. It takes more than a senior project and a few years as a junior dev to be worth much. I consider junior devs incubation projects. Some of them turn out nicely.

But many people think they're worth that. I don't think there is an intrinsic "worth" for each developer, demand is high, supply is low, that's why salaries are high.

Well, I believe that as humans they are worth enough to eat, live, and enjoy life, at the very least, but from a surviving-in-capitalism perspective they can't pull their weight for a while in most cases. I'm not arguing against hiring and paying juniors a living wage, just noting that it takes a while and some diverse experience to get most of them over the hump, so to speak.

Re: What’s the end goal for you programmers?

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Post by kojeovo »

powerhour wrote: post #42
davidkuennen wrote: post #28

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Becoming physically active and pursuing a healthy lifestyle actually increased my output.

Given enough contiguous blocks of time I could see that. Unfortunately my only option is to save and retire ASAP.

What do you mean - you don't have 30 mins per day to go walk / jog? Does it not worry you that you may never able to actually retire and have bad physical health on top?

Re: What’s the end goal for you programmers?

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Post by ushakov »

phantomathkg wrote: post #13

> We make so much money very early in our careers that it’s very easy to lose track of what the end goal is. That's highly depending on your industry and country(s) you are in. In Singapore you can live a relatively OK living, but it is far from rich. In India unless you are working for FAANG your bring home will be good, but far from "so much". --- To answer the question in general. I think programming definitely gi…

> for most of the applications we build we definitely are going to make the world slightly better

no you won’t

what you will be doing instead is help make some stakeholders richer (and they don’t give a F about making the world better)

if you really want to try make the world better, then start volunteering and start helping those in need

Re: What’s the end goal for you programmers?

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Post by kojeovo »

toolz wrote: post #20
kojeovo wrote: post #17

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You're gonna work on 2 only after 1?

for some parts of it, yes. I keep my body and emotional health in check and even do well for the most part, but I don't worry about my mental health all that much - I optimize for output with only modest regard for my mental health right now.

Backpacking and camping is quite time consuming, but hopefully you have 30 mins per day to spend being active! Makes a huge difference from anecdotal experience. My mental performance suffers if I'm not taking care of my physical. Even a 30 min walk is helpful.

Re: What’s the end goal for you programmers?

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Post by toolz »

davidkuennen wrote: post #28
toolz wrote: post #20

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for some parts of it, yes. I keep my body and emotional health in check and even do well for the most part, but I don't worry about my mental health all that much - I optimize for output with only modest regard for my mental health right now.

Becoming physically active and pursuing a healthy lifestyle actually increased my output.

I've not had that be the case for me unfortunately. Interestingly the highest output times I've had were during periods of very low testosterone production. I still maintain an athletic weight and stay active with various social activities that get me exercise, but somehow when I workout religiously with a strict diet, I don't seem to do well at focusing on work.

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Post by sebastianconcpt »

theandrewbailey wrote: post #26
sebastianconcpt wrote: post #2

It took me way too much time to realize that, whatever is to be done, career should be absolutely sacred . Please note that I'm choosing the word sacred as a language figure but without any exaggeration.

Sacred means 'set apart and worshiped like a god.' Treating your career like that is setting yourself up for massive disappointment. You should be working to live, not living to work.

Work is not career. Work is what happens at a given day of your career.

Also, if you enjoy your work enough, your description becomes unfair. You do not feel it like sacrificing life in order to pospone living.

Also, that suggest that there is some hedonistic way to live there that is also easily disappointing.

Humans needs challenges and responsibility to channel their energy. Who doesn't have it, manages to find it in the form of problems (or even psychopatologies).

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Post by kojeovo »

toolz wrote: post #57
davidkuennen wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Becoming physically active and pursuing a healthy lifestyle actually increased my output.

I've not had that be the case for me unfortunately. Interestingly the highest output times I've had were during periods of very low testosterone production. I still maintain an athletic weight and stay active with various social activities that get me exercise, but somehow when I workout religiously with a strict diet, I don't seem to do well at focusing on work.

Strict diets suck. I think there needs to be some joy in eating. I tend to just follow something like an 80/20 rule. I eat whatever I want, but relatively healthy most of the time.

Re: What’s the end goal for you programmers?

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Post by sebastianconcpt »

DanUKs wrote: post #16
sebastianconcpt wrote: post #2

It took me way too much time to realize that, whatever is to be done, career should be absolutely sacred . Please note that I'm choosing the word sacred as a language figure but without any exaggeration.

How? It’ll be very difficult to make working with algorithms for fintech company, sacred.

Dominating the know how of some algorithm gives you a power that can be quite satisfying. Still, that is not career. The tasks at your work are things that happen at a given day of your career.

Career is a trajectory. A mission. Way way more than your current employment.

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