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The Case for C# and .NET

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Re: The Case for C# and .NET

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Post by Kye »

cesarb wrote: post #257

The thing I miss the most with C# and dotnet is offline documentation. With Java, I can install the java-17-openjdk-javadoc package and have the full API reference (at /usr/share/javadoc/java/index.html), and download a couple of PDF files to have also the full language and bytecode specification. With Rust, I can install the rust-doc package and have the full API and language reference (at /usr/share/doc/rust/html/i…

You might be able to do something with this: https://github.com/dotnet/docs

The browsy bits might not work without a server (not sure), but the documents themselves are markdown.

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Post by jtwigg »

cesarb wrote: post #257

The thing I miss the most with C# and dotnet is offline documentation. With Java, I can install the java-17-openjdk-javadoc package and have the full API reference (at /usr/share/javadoc/java/index.html), and download a couple of PDF files to have also the full language and bytecode specification. With Rust, I can install the rust-doc package and have the full API and language reference (at /usr/share/doc/rust/html/i…

could you clone the docs repo? https://github.com/dotnet/docs

Re: The Case for C# and .NET

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Post by JonoW »

mccorrinall wrote: post #57
sandreas wrote: post #18

I also think that C# and .NET are awesome. Especially latest releases dotnet 6 and upcoming 7 have a ton of new things to be even more productive. I like the fact, that you can develop command line apps, Web APIs, Desktop Apps and smartphone apps all with the same toolset, including the fact that deployment is possible on nearly every major platform for every major platform (except iOS and macOS Apps, as always only…

I tried writing a simple crud api with asp.net, which should parse and respond json. It was the worst development experience I ever had while writing json apis. Validation? Not existent. OpenAPI/swagger documentation generation? Not existent. Then it also tried to force me into using MVC, while acting that it is express with its middlewares. I switched back to node.js with fastify and wrote my app in an hour. I reall…

But Node.js doesn't ship with those features built-in either?

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Post by svick »

hypeatei wrote: post #245

I like C# but I've really come to dislike the idea of exceptions and null after working with Rust. I think C# would benefit from a Result/Option addition.

For null, there are nullable reference types now.

Exceptions are here to stay though. I don't see how you could retrofit something like Rust's Result on top of .Net. (Also, .Net has a pattern that's an alternative to exceptions: `bool TrySomething(out T result)`. But it's quite limited, in several ways.)

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Post by the_only_law »

ivraatiems wrote: post #99
sandreas wrote: post #18

I also think that C# and .NET are awesome. Especially latest releases dotnet 6 and upcoming 7 have a ton of new things to be even more productive. I like the fact, that you can develop command line apps, Web APIs, Desktop Apps and smartphone apps all with the same toolset, including the fact that deployment is possible on nearly every major platform for every major platform (except iOS and macOS Apps, as always only…

I've been a .NET developer professionally for seven and a half years. Rider is the way to go. Visual Studio has improved dramatically over the last decade or so, but Rider is still way ahead of it on code search/discovery, performance, and general user experience. I did a tech talk at my company where I demoed Rider vs Visual Studio 2019 performance on our bigger projects... it was embarrassing for VS. VS 2022 was su…

Visual Studio is great, but also one of the most broken bits of software I've had to use.

Re: The Case for C# and .NET

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Post by svick »

ynx wrote: post #248
spyremeown wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Any .NET NuGet packages targeting .NET Core/.NET 5+ without the -windows TFM will run on any platform that CoreCLR runs on. I got sleepy just reading this. There's just so much fragmentation and frameworks and different versions of frameworks and web-servers... can't Microsoft just let the .NET be and let them do their thing? They have certainly pumped out loads of amazing software that seemed to get a knee on the…

In fairness that is what they have done. .NET Framework is dead, .NET Core is "dead" (to clarify: .NET Framework dies with .NET 4 and .NET Core/CoreCLR is .NET 5 and above). Mono is a cross-platform (ish) implementation of .NET Framework, but its future is (eventually) to be replaced with the main .NET which is now based on the cross-platform version (.NET 5 and above, which is currently distinguished from Framework…

Note that Mono, the framework, is indeed dying. But Mono, the runtime, is now part of .Net and it's an alternative to CoreCLR, used for things like Xamarin/MAUI and Blazor.

Though most of the time, you don't need to know any of this, you just use .Net and it works on Windows, Linux, Android, Apple and in the browser.

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Post by jve »

bbarn wrote: post #212
jve wrote: post #204

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Hey fellow Dynamics 365 (CRM?) developer. I see they move in VSCode direction with tools like Power Platform CLI [1], power platform tools extension [2]. PCF (PowerAps Component framework) enabling to develop UI components in frontend framework-of-choice... however none of that is available (yet?) for On-Premise deployment so we're 2nd class citizens. Because of that, haven't been able to play with this and try out s…

F&O, sadly...

F&O would be former AX? That seems highly rewarded field. I know it only from SQL point of view - It helped grow my SQL skills when SQL would be brought to it's knees (along with the business) due to skewed data distribution and occasional query plan invalidation.

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Post by metaltyphoon »

sandreas wrote: post #217
manigandham wrote: post #187

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You don't have to use Nuget.org, it's just the public community version of a Nuget package repo. You can use your own private repos like MyGet[1] or Github Packages [2]. 1. https://www.myget.org/ 2. https://docs.github.com/en/packages/working-with-a-github-pa...

Yeah I know all this, you can even use BaGet[1] symbol server to cache or manage private dependencies in an enterprise network. That is not the point... I think that the most used tool / platform should provide more flexibility for non-enterprise or less expierienced developers. No offense, I like nuget, but I recently made a typo and checked in 0.0.23 instead of 0.0.2. Now, everytime I add a dependency that is I als…

Why not just setup a local feed?

Re: The Case for C# and .NET

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Post by pionar »

EnKopVand wrote: post #152
chocolatemario wrote: post #102

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As a C# developer I could say the same about my experience dealing with my first foray into [insert random language] and my attempt to develop [something with a non-trivial framework]. The issues you had could be attacked by navigating through this section of documentation, diving into the tutorial referenced in the beginning of the Overview section and the subsequent sections: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/aspnet…

I’ve been a C# developer for a decade and I still think it’s hopelessly convoluted for getting very simple things up and running. Maybe there is something wrong with me, but it’s just not intuitive to me and it has frankly never been. I do think the move to core and then core to .net has improved things, but it’s still a really weird and way of doing things compared to other languages that I have worked with, and mos…

I wholly disagree as a person who worked in C#/.NET for over 15 years and recently waded into Node/JS/TS dev. C# and .NET are hands down the easiest platform to start on.
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