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Why the world of scientific research needs to be disrupted

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Re: Why the world of scientific research needs to be disrupted

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Post by gwern »

mironathetin wrote: post #79
gwern wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do we need the process of peer review? Peer review is not robust against even low levels of collusion ( http://arxiv.org/abs/1008.4324v1 ). Scientists who win the Nobel Prize find their other work suddenly being heavily cited ( http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110506/full/news.2011.270.ht... ), suggesting either that the community either badly failed in recognizing the work's true value or that they are now suckin…

In order to check, if what you write makes sense, we have to read at least all texts you link to, probably also links in these text. This will take perhaps one day, if done accurately. Do you prefer that all readers spend the time, or wouldn't it be an advantage, if a few knowledgeable experts would do the job and signal to everybody: what he writes makes sense? Sure, peer review is not flawless. But flawed procedure…

> Do you prefer that all readers spend the time, or wouldn't it be an advantage, if a few knowledgeable experts would do the job and signal to everybody: what he writes makes sense?

Division of labor does not imply peer review. Peer review is merely an ad hoc, unproven, flawed way of implementing division of labor.

Re: Why the world of scientific research needs to be disrupted

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Post by zbyszek »

kia wrote: post #6

Unless scientists and researchers start to put the interests of collaboration and “open science” ahead of their desire to be promoted or win tenure the system will not change This is the main problem because most won't.

A scientist who does not get promoted or win tenure is likely to cease being a scientist. Losing those scientists who favour change makes the system even less likely to change.

Re: Why the world of scientific research needs to be disrupted

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Post by pnathan »

impendia wrote: post #78
kd0amg wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought what I quoted was about ACM/IEEE. $198 per year (less than that for students) to the ACM gets you unlimited access to their online archives. I didn't check the IEEE rate, as I rarely encounter a paper I have to get from them instead of from ACM -- is it much more? What am I missing out on by not checking Elsevier's stash?

I am in math rather than CS/EE. I am not precisely sure, and indeed Elsevier goes to some effort to make their pricing complicated, but I am pretty sure it runs well into the thousands. I am a professor at a reasonably good state university, having just come from Stanford. At Stanford they subscribed to everything, and here our department picks and chooses so that I constantly run into paywalls despite a university s…

The ACM and the IEEE are the key professional societies for computer science, computer engineering, and electrical engineering research.

Wikipedia says the IEEE is non-profit, not sure about the ACM.

IEEE weights towards the EE and high-math end of things, ACM weights towards the CS end of things.

The Journal of the ACM is about $300USD/yr for print/online access (nonmember).

I have a wide variety of interests and would prefer to have full access to about 5-7 journals (Some Wiley, some Elsevier). Assuming $300/year prices that's a pretty decent sized price to keep up with research interests. :-(

Re: Why the world of scientific research needs to be disrupted

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Post by pnathan »

impendia wrote: post #78
kd0amg wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought what I quoted was about ACM/IEEE. $198 per year (less than that for students) to the ACM gets you unlimited access to their online archives. I didn't check the IEEE rate, as I rarely encounter a paper I have to get from them instead of from ACM -- is it much more? What am I missing out on by not checking Elsevier's stash?

I am in math rather than CS/EE. I am not precisely sure, and indeed Elsevier goes to some effort to make their pricing complicated, but I am pretty sure it runs well into the thousands. I am a professor at a reasonably good state university, having just come from Stanford. At Stanford they subscribed to everything, and here our department picks and chooses so that I constantly run into paywalls despite a university s…

The ACM and the IEEE are the key professional societies for computer science, computer engineering, and electrical engineering research.

Wikipedia says the IEEE is non-profit, not sure about the ACM.

IEEE weights towards the EE and high-math end of things, ACM weights towards the CS end of things.

The Journal of the ACM is about $300USD/yr for print/online access (nonmember).

I have a wide variety of interests and would prefer to have full access to about 5-7 journals (Some Wiley, some Elsevier). Assuming $300/year prices that's a pretty decent sized price to keep up with research interests. :-(

Re: Why the world of scientific research needs to be disrupted

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Post by eru »

kd0amg wrote: post #77
eru wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about you focus on publishing diffs to an overview (or so) instead of self-contained articles?

What do you do with the details too small to belong in an overview?

Overview was probably the wrong word.
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