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Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by ttpphd »

saurik wrote: post #490
ttpphd wrote: post #107

This is far from the main discussion, but I used to be a "stinker" like the author describes, and I have a touch of unsolicited advice. Life is much happier if you save your obstinate streak for very limited, important occasions. Otherwise, you live your life ensnared in the negativity of trivial violations of your personal expectations about values and behavior.

Alternatively, we need people--nay... heroes --such as this, or bullies like Twitter get to run roughshod over everyone.

Obstinacy does not guarantee success. My advice is a variation of "pick your battles".

It's ok to have battles, just don't make them a big enough part of your life that it becomes your personality, and don't engage without proper forethought.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by [deleted] »

pvg wrote: post #528
Groxx wrote: post #517

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No? If I say "you distribute revenge porn", I'm accusing you of a crime. There's no ambiguity there. Revenge porn is a criminal act nearly everywhere. In some states and some situations, it's even a felony, which is a significant step up in severity. I haven't informed your local authorities that you do this. But that doesn't have any affect on whether or not I am accusing you . > An accusation is informally stating…

If I say "you distribute revenge porn" Twitter doesn't say that, it's, again, pretty clearly spelled out in the policy. The leap from 'our system thinks this looks like revenge porn' to 'you are accused of a crime' doesn't seem to be based on anything beyond umbrage and repetition. Neither of these things make it true, though.

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Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by [deleted] »

pvg wrote: post #528
Groxx wrote: post #517

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No? If I say "you distribute revenge porn", I'm accusing you of a crime. There's no ambiguity there. Revenge porn is a criminal act nearly everywhere. In some states and some situations, it's even a felony, which is a significant step up in severity. I haven't informed your local authorities that you do this. But that doesn't have any affect on whether or not I am accusing you . > An accusation is informally stating…

If I say "you distribute revenge porn" Twitter doesn't say that, it's, again, pretty clearly spelled out in the policy. The leap from 'our system thinks this looks like revenge porn' to 'you are accused of a crime' doesn't seem to be based on anything beyond umbrage and repetition. Neither of these things make it true, though.

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Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by Groxx »

pvg wrote: post #528
Groxx wrote: post #517

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No? If I say "you distribute revenge porn", I'm accusing you of a crime. There's no ambiguity there. Revenge porn is a criminal act nearly everywhere. In some states and some situations, it's even a felony, which is a significant step up in severity. I haven't informed your local authorities that you do this. But that doesn't have any affect on whether or not I am accusing you . > An accusation is informally stating…

If I say "you distribute revenge porn" Twitter doesn't say that, it's, again, pretty clearly spelled out in the policy. The leap from 'our system thinks this looks like revenge porn' to 'you are accused of a crime' doesn't seem to be based on anything beyond umbrage and repetition. Neither of these things make it true, though.

If the system went from "our system thinks this looks like revenge porn" to "we are sending you a warning in case you are, verify that you are not doing it or change your actions immediately. you may be banned on review if it appears you did" I think you might be right.

But that's not happening. It goes from "our system thinks this looks like revenge porn" to "you are banned". And even "we double checked, you are banned". If Best Buy said "your actions seem similar to thieves" and kicked you out and banned you while quoting theft laws, without checking if you had stolen something, yes. I would say they were accusing you of theft, because they are acting as if you did. Actions can accuse as well.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by jhanschoo »

czx4f4bd wrote: post #6
jhanschoo wrote: post #2

Its clear that the broken element in this process is not the AI banning the writer of the post, but the poor presumably human review

An AI arbitrarily banning someone for a completely innocuous post isn't broken?

> arbitrarily banning

If that ban by AI is available for review and appeal, it's just triage that admits false positives. The alternatives that I can fathom is to either allow unsavory and potentially harmful content to be present on your platform until human eyes get on them, or to have all comments await moderation until human eyes get on them.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by [deleted] »

OrangeMonkey wrote: post #140
Forgeties79 wrote: post #100

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Phone call, email, text message, Viber, WhatsApp, Instagram, Twitter, Snapchat, Telegram, actually interacting in person. Half my family isn’t even on Facebook and virtually none of us even use it anymore. If that’s the only way to keep up with family then don’t act like a complete jerk online, or you know don’t harass people , and you’ll be fine. Same as regular society. Contrary to popular belief, it actually takes…

It does not take a lot to get banned - you just have to have a stated opinion that does not correlate with a large portion of the user base. If the civil rights movement was being organized on facebook today with the culture and beliefs of the 1950's as our users, I am very confident MLK would have been banned from every service. ... and someone, somewhere, would say 'don't act like a complete jerk online, or you kno…

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Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by dorkwood »

wswope wrote: post #432
dorkwood wrote: post #285

At least Twitter has an appeal process. My Instagram account was switched off without warning. If I try to log in on desktop, I get a message telling me to "confirm your information using the Instagram app to try to get back to your account". The problem is that if I try to log in to the app, all I get is a black screen. This happens on both Android and iPhone. There are some buttons on the Android version, but the i…

If you’re unable to access your email notification settings related to the account you’re locked out of, and have received any non-transactional emails related to the account, you can email their legal team regarding a CANSPAM violation to get a real human on the case (or a payday if they choose not to respond). May not apply to your circumstances; just throwing it out as I’ve had it work before in a similar context.

Wow, thanks for this, but unfortunately I disabled all those emails in the past.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by pvg »

Groxx wrote: post #544
pvg wrote: post #528

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I say "you distribute revenge porn" Twitter doesn't say that, it's, again, pretty clearly spelled out in the policy. The leap from 'our system thinks this looks like revenge porn' to 'you are accused of a crime' doesn't seem to be based on anything beyond umbrage and repetition. Neither of these things make it true, though.

If the system went from "our system thinks this looks like revenge porn" to "we are sending you a warning in case you are, verify that you are not doing it or change your actions immediately. you may be banned on review if it appears you did" I think you might be right. But that's not happening. It goes from "our system thinks this looks like revenge porn" to "you are banned". And even "we double checked, you are ban…

The account was suspended and, again, the policy, which you should read, makes it pretty clear that you can be suspended for Twitter being wrong about your post. It takes a lot of implicit extrapolations ('revenge porn', a term they don't use, 'banned', a thing they don't actually do in those cases, etc) to get to 'accused of a crime'. And they aren't in the thing.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by account42 »

CameronNemo wrote: post #459
lapcat wrote: post #445

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I'm a self-employed solo software developer who doesn't even use a phone for business. Your suggestion is that I buy a separate phone and permanently pay for phone service for that separate phone, just so that I can give Twitter an unimportant phone number in case they suspend my account for an insane reason and refuse my appeal, and then get hacked?

jmp.chat will give you a number for $3/month. Voip.ms is cheaper, but I don't know how well it works with SMS short codes.

I don't know about Twitter but many of these phone-number-for-verification schemes outright reject VOIP numbers.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by account42 »

TameAntelope wrote: post #345

> Here’s the thing: I’m a stinker. Even at my jolliest, if someone figuratively shoulder-checks me, I’m probably going to make so many mountains out of this molehill that I will adjust the topography of the United States significantly. I’m sorry, but this is your real problem, not Twitter banning you. This is called “pride” and is historically recognized as one of the largest “problem creators” as far as emotions go.…

Putting up with the demands may be the easy way out for the individual in cases like these but I am thankful that there are people like the OP who stand up against it so that we hopefully won't have to put up with worse shit in the future. Abuse only ever stops when there is pushback.
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