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Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by UncleEntity »

dmix wrote: post #467
UncleEntity wrote: post #162

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> Are ML driven robots in factories killing people or Something? Because I haven’t heard of anything else. All the videos on the YouTubes I’ve seen show industrial robots with crazy amounts of safety equipment where you can’t get close enough to it while it’s running for someone to get hurt. I have seen people experimenting with robot arms next to their CNC machine where it could easily take off someone’s head if you…

They are using ML algorithms on CNC machines and it’s causing AI ethical concerns? Building experimental robotics on a production floor with workers walking around sounds like a normal safety issue not an AI one.

I was watching one video where they had to train the arm what to do and am pretty sure they (the Silicon Valley robot arm startup) gave it AI magic sauce because even toasters have AI these days.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by 0x737368 »

romwell wrote: post #477
0x737368 wrote: post #13

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Thank you for your indepth analysis but what has this to do with the article?

The fact that the article and the discussion are ignoring the war, which is the elephant in the room. Discussing Russian tech and status symbols (like chess-playing robots) is giving that pariah state a veneer of legitimacy it may not have any longer.

Ignoring would presume that the war is somewhat relevant to chess.

Also Russia has plenty of legitimacy, both before and after the Ukraine invasion, as much as it seemingly pains you to admit that.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by 0x737368 »

romwell wrote: post #478
throwaway0x7E6 wrote: post #16

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oh wow, really? totally missed that in the news. I was wondering why did all twitter they/them suddenly put that flag in their username

Since we're on that note, Russia is openly oppressive to queer people. It's illegal to say anything in public that suggests it's acceptable to be gay after a recent change in "gay propaganda" laws. Ramzan Kadyrov, the de-facto tsar of the subdued republic of Ichkeria (aka Chechnya as a part of Russian Federation) has openly ran an extermination campaign against gay people. So "they/them" worldwide do have a reason to…

There's a difference between allowing people the freedom to exist and do what they wish and spreading sexual deviancy and paraphilic perversions..

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by vba616 »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #409
vba616 wrote: post #83

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When I was a child, my mother always told me "read the manual" before using her power equipment like a tractor or chainsaw. Which I did. She grew up on a farm in the 1940s, where she got to use potentially lethal machinery as soon as she could reach the controls. Of course, if a complete manual with all safety information wasn't provided, that's clearly negligent and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent.

You used a chainsaw as a child? Is a child physically capable of controlling a chainsaw at all, dealing with kickback, etc?

Yes, I'm not sure of the year we got it, but it was definitely when I was between 7 and 17.

It was a 2-stroke Stihl, probably the smallest they made, with an automatic brake in case of kickback. And a manual explaining how to avoid it - I never had any issue because I followed the directions. Including goggles and over the ear hearing protection.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by smsm42 »

gdy wrote: post #302
palmetieri2000 wrote: post #185

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This videogame review from a YouTube channel called Warlockracy is actually also a really interesting perspective on at least some aspects of Russian subcultures and their prominence, I found it a surprisingly insightful social commentary wrapped up in an entertaining vid. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ_PiXLVaJ8 (~45mins) The second video is more serious but also rather interesting (clips from it became very p…

"Operating under the assumption that the video isn't misrepresenting the cultural aspects of Russia" And why do you operate under this assumption? The guy keeps saying '[In Russia] conservatives have always had power.' Was Lenin a conservative? Very few countries undergone such radical changes as Russia. The one thing he repeats even more is 'infallible Tsar'. Let me tell you a secret -- Putin have ruled for so long…

> Was Lenin a conservative?

Lenin ruled for barely 4 years. Since November 1917 till late 1921, when he already had been gravely ill and was largely removed from all power and left as a figurehead. In 1923, he had his third stroke, and his days were numbered. So, compared to overall Russia's history, Lenin's four years have been but a brief episode. Stalin, who replaced him, was a conservative ruler (though of course not the kind of "conservative" that we have now in America, obviously), so were all up to maybe Gorbachev - who ruled for about 6 years overall. As you can see, not being a conservative leader in Russia means a rather short tenure, somehow.

> Now this have changed and we have entered very 'interesting' times.

If you think people in Russia will raise up and overthrow Putin because of the suffering he has inflicted on them due to his insane lust for conquest - don't hold you breath for it. He has much better chance do die as a Tsar (which is what most Russian Tsars did) than to be deposed. Russian people, as a mass, have absolutely zero inclination to overthrow Putin's regime.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by hinkley »

concordDance wrote: post #180
hinkley wrote: post #75

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“It was cheaper” is how Chernobyl nearly permanently destroyed the water supply of all of eastern and parts of Central Europe.

Every part of that reply is wrong.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32210234

As for the Chernobyl comment, if they had not dug under the elephant’s foot before it started to cut into the subsoil, that’s exactly what would have happened when it hit the water table. People risked a lot to keep that from happening.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by Brian_K_White »

akhmatova wrote: post #459
thisishard wrote: post #154

I watched the video and the robot most certainly did not grab the boy's index finger. Sequence of events 1. The robot was capturing the boy's queen with a bishop. For that, it first removed the queen from the board. 2a. The robot next moved the bishop onto the square where the queen was previously located. 2b. At the same time, the boy prematurely moved his rook to the same square, he completed the move before the bi…

This attempt to exculpate the robot's actions (more more directly: the actions of its human programmers) is just ... bizarre. Yeah, the robot didn't specifically "grab" the boy's finger. It grabbed a piece while the boy's finger was still on it . Without having any idea what it was doing. Same thing, in other words -- in terms of the end result. And more to the point, it was an action that a human player would most l…

The robot didn't do anything. Some humans rented a machine and inexpertly operated it, no different than if I rented a back hoe and dug up a power line.

There is nothing to contest when people observe this fact.

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Post by hinkley »

seltzered_ wrote: post #125
Nextgrid wrote: post #30

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The robot is a standard industrial robot arm that happens to be used for chess - it it was not made to be a chess robot. This is absolutely overkill for chess even just from a cost perspective so you wouldn't build something like this if you actually were building a chess robot. The amount of pressure this robot applies is totally adequate for its normal operating environment which is far away from humans. There migh…

Beyond pressure settings, you can also design the robot to just be 'soft' in the first place: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_robotics

I am Baymax. On a scale of one to ten, how would you rate your pain?

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Post by gdy »

smsm42 wrote: post #453
gdy wrote: post #338

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"It is interesting " What exactly is interesting? Hate speech is bad, unless it is directed at Russians and then it is not hate speech but 'accurate representation'? 'In Russia, "hate speech" would be something that the government does not approve of' Not really. 'The motive of political hatred' can be added to the case as an aggravating circumstance, but the charge itself is 'discreditation of Russian army' or 'spre…

The interesting part is a cynical attempt to use a Western culture war weapon in order to promote Russia, which rejects Western values and hates and wants to destroy both sides.

You are quite mistaken. The notion of hate speech is not unique for Western culture.

Article 282 in Russian Criminal Codex exists since Eltsin time (1996) and addresses incitement of hatred on racial, religious and ethnic grounds. It itself is based on similar article from Soviet times (1960).

In 2003 it was extended by Putin in include hate speech based on gender, language, origin and social stratum.

You can read the story here: https://tass.ru/info/5930296

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by gdy »

smsm42 wrote: post #485
gdy wrote: post #302

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"Operating under the assumption that the video isn't misrepresenting the cultural aspects of Russia" And why do you operate under this assumption? The guy keeps saying '[In Russia] conservatives have always had power.' Was Lenin a conservative? Very few countries undergone such radical changes as Russia. The one thing he repeats even more is 'infallible Tsar'. Let me tell you a secret -- Putin have ruled for so long…

> Was Lenin a conservative? Lenin ruled for barely 4 years. Since November 1917 till late 1921, when he already had been gravely ill and was largely removed from all power and left as a figurehead. In 1923, he had his third stroke, and his days were numbered. So, compared to overall Russia's history, Lenin's four years have been but a brief episode. Stalin, who replaced him, was a conservative ruler (though of course…

Try and think of the many ways in which the USSR was different from the Russian empire and you will understand the scale of Lenin's and Stalin's radical changes.
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