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A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Exploiting the sloppiness of the government and using it against the user is not what I would call good behavior.

Still, the situation at hand is primarily fault of the government - which should've taken care of it at the very least 5 years ago, or sooner. It isn't a problem exclusive to Tesla, Mercedes has a very similar feature called Drive Pilot (introduced in 2013 IIRC) and except for the most recent model year a malfunction is a problem of the user just like with Teslas. BTW this isn't even about any lawyers and EULAs, ther…

> there's simply no legal way how a company like Tesla or Mercedes could take responsibility for a crash

This seems unlikely to be true, unless of course they weaseled themselves in this position.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Nobody should be violently persecuted unless they have violently hurt other people first and our government quite often disregards human rights. As for gays, our government haven't intervened (at least publicly) when gays reportedly got violently persecuted in Chechnya. Also our government often doesn't notice hate speech towards gays (hello, Milonov) or punishes rather mildly when it does notice. Still, I don't thin…

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Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Regarding your Edit: Really? Guilt by association, purity test questions and projection/assumptions towards me? Speaking of fascist attitudes...

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Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Nobody should be violently persecuted unless they have violently hurt other people first and our government quite often disregards human rights. As for gays, our government haven't intervened (at least publicly) when gays reportedly got violently persecuted in Chechnya. Also our government often doesn't notice hate speech towards gays (hello, Milonov) or punishes rather mildly when it does notice. Still, I don't thin…

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Have you stopped beating your partner? Let's see if you dodge this question before I answer yours.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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It's Russia we're talking about. In Russia, the default mode of answering any complaint is "it's your own fault, we're not responsible, go away". It's not only on the big political scene - it's everywhere, from a village grocery store to a national federation. If you admit any mistake and any responsibility for anything, you're an idiot and a "loch" (pronounced the same as Scottish lake, but means a person to be take…

How would an accident like that be handled elsewhere, say, the US, or Western Europe? Would the federation own up to it?

It seems likely that it wouldn't happen in the first place, because people would be (rightfully, in this case) afraid of liability.

If it did happen, I expect they'd either issue a long, wordy but mostly empty statement that they're looking into it, possibly with an apology not accepting blame, trying to avoid attention at all costs. Saying something means the press has something to write, so aside from maybe a first vague statement like this, they'd probably stay silent.

In a clear case like this, they'd likely be torn apart afterwards though.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Regarding your Edit: Really? Guilt by association, purity test questions and projection/assumptions towards me? Speaking of fascist attitudes...

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I haven't answered you because I'm afraid, but because you're way off topic & behaving like a bully.

The last time I was there, even the Russian airport security interrogators were more polite than you...

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Still, the situation at hand is primarily fault of the government - which should've taken care of it at the very least 5 years ago, or sooner. It isn't a problem exclusive to Tesla, Mercedes has a very similar feature called Drive Pilot (introduced in 2013 IIRC) and except for the most recent model year a malfunction is a problem of the user just like with Teslas. BTW this isn't even about any lawyers and EULAs, ther…

> there's simply no legal way how a company like Tesla or Mercedes could take responsibility for a crash This seems unlikely to be true, unless of course they weaseled themselves in this position.

Read through the laws about deciding blame in car crashes. There isn't a single word about transferring blame to the manufacturer, and thus it's not possible - and the law specifically says that the driver has responsibility. Nobody had to specifically weasel themselves into it, just the states kept sleeping a decade too long.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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> A ski lift that breaks legs one day per thousand would never be acceptable. People are injured getting off ski lifts all the time.

Ski lift fatality rate is about 1/10 of cars, with only one death per 700 million miles traveled and average of 0.34 deaths per year. Ski lift is one of the safest modes of transports known to man. It probably saves many lives vs someone walking up the mountain. That is, unlike the chess robot it creates a comparative net decline in risk for achieving the task of climbing a mountain. A wildly overbuilt (for the task)…

>>> A ski lift that breaks legs one day per thousand would never be acceptable.

>> People are injured getting off ski lifts all the time.

> Ski lift fatality rate is about...

I see what you did there.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Ski lift fatality rate is about 1/10 of cars, with only one death per 700 million miles traveled and average of 0.34 deaths per year. Ski lift is one of the safest modes of transports known to man. It probably saves many lives vs someone walking up the mountain. That is, unlike the chess robot it creates a comparative net decline in risk for achieving the task of climbing a mountain. A wildly overbuilt (for the task)…

>>> A ski lift that breaks legs one day per thousand would never be acceptable. >> People are injured getting off ski lifts all the time. > Ski lift fatality rate is about... I see what you did there.

Wow you are incredibly clever, would you like a cookie? The best you could do is sometime, somewhere, people get injured a ski lift. The same could be said for people walking up a mountain. AT least I provided some data, including a study that showed injuries.
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