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Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by gdy »

mads_ravn wrote: post #365
gdy wrote: post #250

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I don't think so. We have our share of shitty people just like any other nations. Misrepresenting them as something that is innate to Russia is just hate speech or propaganda.

I’m curious: You don’t think that being continuously exposed to government propaganda and threatened with jail/fines for dissenting opinions will increase the frequency of “shitty people”?

I don't see how the number of people 'denying responsibility and lying' depends on the exposure to government propaganda saying that Russia is doing good and justified thing right now.

If you believe you are right and what is contrary to this belief is only a fake, you don't need to lie and there is no responsibility for something you didn't do.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by picsao »

MonkeyClub wrote: post #308
foverzar wrote: post #269

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> the robot started misbehaving Or rather, when “the device malfunctioned”. This was closer to an industrial accident, rather than to Robot Revolt. But yeah, the response is appalling.

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Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by paganel »

gambiting wrote: post #283
paganel wrote: post #261

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You could have used “cowboy culture” instead of “macho culture”, that way at least your over-the-top generalization would have been free of cultural appropriation.

That has to be sarcasm. Or trying to be funny, but not very well.

Not sarcasm, but it gets real tiring having to fight these xenophobic tropes coming from the West.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by mdp2021 »

delusional wrote: post #375
mdp2021 wrote: post #353

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The poster has not stated that robots would be inherently unsafe. (And if they were judged so, it would also be in consideration that humans also are.) Anyway: the difference is in explicit projectual intention. Some systems are created with a dimension (contextually, safety) as a key performance indicator, some other as just a factor to be sensibly taken into consideration. If you are drawing the project for a plane…

> The poster has not stated that robots would be inherently unsafe. (And if they were judged so, it would also be in consideration that humans also are.) But he has. The statements > This is appalling. There is no world in which an industrial robot like that should be operating next to a child. > I assume you are referring to driverless cars. Those aren't inherently unsafe. Neither are six axis robots. As I mentioned…

> reading between the lines

Don't do it. You have been here for years, you should have noticed: do not read between the lines. Do not overread what other said. Do not attribute intentions. Do not paint ideas that come from you on the expression of others.

In the past very few days I had posted about the buffers of undetermined positions¹, and hours before I had a post of mine literally re-translated in ideas that certainly were only in the mind of the "translator", parallel with other interventions that surely had skipped the duly operation of understanding where possible and stopping inventing statements otherwise. It is really to be avoided.

You exercise doubt on your interpretations just like you exercise doubts on all your ideas - and more, on your habit of forming ideas.

¹https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32205085 (and following, for clarity about them "buffers")

Contextually: notice that formula, '«like that»', that the poster wrote.

> So what's the argument here

Yes, the chief point in engineering a "driverless car" is that it does not crash on things. I «substantiate that argument» - which a difference is there between KPIs and constraints - beyond the beginning because nobody told you that the engineers succeed.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by EUROCARE »

amelius wrote: post #403
EUROCARE wrote: post #399

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No, but it is the government's.

Exploiting the sloppiness of the government and using it against the user is not what I would call good behavior.

Still, the situation at hand is primarily fault of the government - which should've taken care of it at the very least 5 years ago, or sooner. It isn't a problem exclusive to Tesla, Mercedes has a very similar feature called Drive Pilot (introduced in 2013 IIRC) and except for the most recent model year a malfunction is a problem of the user just like with Teslas.

BTW this isn't even about any lawyers and EULAs, there's simply no legal way how a company like Tesla or Mercedes could take responsibility for a crash, so IMHO Tesla is at least nice enough to spell it out, unlike Mercedes.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by gambiting »

jamesdelaneyie wrote: post #405
agumonkey wrote: post #401

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Not exactly the same but there's the legendary McDonald's lawsuit after some customer burned his finger after dropping his coffee.

You mean this case? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald%27s_Restau... Where a 79 year old woman suffered 3rd degree burns to her pelvic region after spilling coffee in her lap?

While I agree that McDonalds should have been found guilty in that case(they deliberately set their machines to produce much hotter coffee than is standard anywhere) I feel like this is a case that could have been only won in the US, because only US courts give any time to stuff like this. Maybe I'm wrong, but my feeling is that a case like this would have been thrown out long before being heard in any other country - she spilled her coffee, it's clearly her fault(would have been the resoning).

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by delusional »

amelius wrote: post #385
delusional wrote: post #375

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> The poster has not stated that robots would be inherently unsafe. (And if they were judged so, it would also be in consideration that humans also are.) But he has. The statements > This is appalling. There is no world in which an industrial robot like that should be operating next to a child. > I assume you are referring to driverless cars. Those aren't inherently unsafe. Neither are six axis robots. As I mentioned…

Cars (period) are not inherently safe to begin with. Perhaps it would help if you applied your argument to good old regular cars and see where it fails.

I'm not trying to make an argument, I'm trying to examine the argument made by someone else.

Personally, I believe that neither driverless cars nor "industrial robots" are "inherently unsafe". In fact I think the whole notion of "inherently unsafe" is flawed. An "industrial robot" playing chess with children can be fine if it's engineered well, which this particular robot evidently wasn't. Driverless cars can be fine if they're engineered well, which I would argue has not always been the case.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by mads_ravn »

gdy wrote: post #411
mads_ravn wrote: post #365

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I’m curious: You don’t think that being continuously exposed to government propaganda and threatened with jail/fines for dissenting opinions will increase the frequency of “shitty people”?

I don't see how the number of people 'denying responsibility and lying' depends on the exposure to government propaganda saying that Russia is doing good and justified thing right now. If you believe you are right and what is contrary to this belief is only a fake, you don't need to lie and there is no responsibility for something you didn't do.

Then we fundamentally disagree in how human psychology works: I believe that if authorities (be they government officials, parents or others) habitually lie and cheat, then that behavior becomes socially sanctioned as a way to get ahead. Thus you end up with more “shitty people” (and a worse society)

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by COMMENT___ »

When I read about this my first question was why they use industrial machine as a chess robot. I believe that the answer is “just to show off”. But IMO this makes an opposite effect.

They could use a pair of magnets attached to each chess piece and chess board. One under the board, one attached to the piece. Then move magnets under the board and voila chess pieces move automagically.

I think that I saw a similar toy somewhere.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by spacemanmatt »

piva00 wrote: post #377
saiya-jin wrote: post #344

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Well I heard conflicting info on this one from Baltic states citizens. On one side they are clearly working much more efficiently, as long term economy shows and align more with western approach to things and values. On the other side, every single person from there I've asked this specifically agreed their country is utterly corrupt mess, government after government, with tight coupling to big brother russia and maf…

> On the other side, every single person from there I've asked this specifically agreed their country is utterly corrupt mess, government after government, with tight coupling to big brother russia and mafia. No, not really. For example, Estonia has been very well governed, including deep digitalisation of the economy, one of the best educational systems in the world and a complete and utter dislike/hate for all thin…

I would defer to the background checks the U.S. military and federal government is doing in consideration of selling those Baltic states a lot of weapons. They will definitely do a better job that I ever can.
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