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Re: Show HN: Famnom – Nutrition tracker and meal planner for families

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It's the weekend so you'll have to forgive me for asking this: what's the purpose of tracking and planning your nutrition? Illness, sports, obesity? Why would a person decide they want to track (not analyze, just track) every little piece of food or liquid they consume. Help me expand my perspective.

I actually think everyone should track what they eat, at least for a while. It's a really interesting experience. I started because I wanted to lose weight but was exercising a lot, so I was restricting my calories while trying to keep protein high. It didn't take long to realise that I had previously had little to no idea of what I was putting in my mouth, and tracking for a while (probably ~3 months minimum) gives you a much better intuition.

After doing this for a while I started developing stomach problems (unrelated to my change in diet), and I needed to ensure that I was meeting my minimum requirements for fibre too. All of a sudden you end up with quite a tricky multi-dimensional optimisation problem, and it was actually quite a fun intellectual exercise trying to meet all the constraints, obviously without hating what I ate.

There are all sorts of reasons that you might want to minimise or maximise some micro- or macro-nutrient. Any athlete will want some sort of control of what they eat. Perhaps you want more magnesium for better sleep, and you'd like to get it from actual food rather than supplements. Calorie restriction while keeping protein high is a common one for losing weight. Almost no-one eating a western diet gets anywhere near enough fibre, and any one of various health scares might make you aware of that. Tracking what you eat permanently is a serious commitment that is probably unnecessary for most people, but I think it's a good thing to try, at least for a while. I tend to go back to tracking periodically when I want to get some aspect of my diet under control, but I don't do it all the time.

Re: Show HN: Famnom – Nutrition tracker and meal planner for families

#53
post #14

It would be nice to have more info about what it does before signing up.

Skipped an info page for famnom, in favor of the user journey gifs + Why? sections on this post. Were they helpful? I agree an info or onboarding section on famnom itself would be nice to have, thanks for the feedback.

They're not linked from your website so they're basically unfindable (for the record your reply in this post is now somewhere in the middle).

Edit: I just looked at the journeys and I found it hard to figure out what was going on. The gifs moved fast, and do people plan their meals around amounts of raw ingredients? I would have expected recipes to be the central focus, but none of the journeys touch on recipes AFAICT.

I'd love a good tool for tracking nutrition, comparing recipes, etc. so I'm enthusiastic about this.

Re: Show HN: Famnom – Nutrition tracker and meal planner for families

#54
post #50

This seems like Cronometer? I've been using Cronometer for a decade plus. It was built for folks who were following the CRON way of eating: Caloric Restriction Optimum Nutrition. So undereating by 20 - 30% of your recommended caloric needs for your height, weight, fat-to-muscle ratio, and activity level was the aim, but to do so while eating nutrient-rich foods, getting most or all of your nutrients from non-suppleme…

"The Oracle" sounds like a cool feature!

it sucks though. it could be good but nobody cares

Re: Show HN: Famnom – Nutrition tracker and meal planner for families

#56
post #31

I've thought about making something like this in the past. I've used the "Nutrients" iOS app for tracking nutrition, but not in the way it's meant to be used. Maybe my usage patterns could help you writing your app. I tend to use the app to get a pulse on the nutrient density of the foods I consume (or feed my daughter). I would make simple meals, and plug them in, and then try to get all the nutrient bars filled up.…

I would suggest looking into meat based dishes, including organ meats, eggs, bone/meat broths and such. You'll find it much easier to 'fill' all the nutrition bars if you use that. I would also suggest avoiding leafy vegetables in general, since there are a lot of defensive chemicals in them that are not very good for you, especially concentrated blended versions of them. You tend to want to eat plants in states that…

This is great information. I'm not against meat. However, I was toying with a vegan/vegetarian diet when I got into tracking nutrients, and my learnings reflect that (ex: nutritional yeast). My daughter still struggles with chewing meat. Organ meats might be a good idea for her.

I'm aware that plants have defensive chemicals though I haven't researched it in too much depth. I can probably be convinced to drop spinach and nuts.

I don't eat enough organ meats. Chicken liver seems cheap for the nutrition you get out of it. I never bothered getting into cooking it, but it seems like a good idea.

Good point on the fish oil. My daughter is totally fine consuming the gross-tasting fish oil (even without the lemon flavoring) out of a spoon. My guess is she's really craving the nutrients in there. I keep the oil in the fridge, but there might be no real way to compete with fresh fish.

Re: Show HN: Famnom – Nutrition tracker and meal planner for families

#57
post #27
post #20

Too bad FDA recommendations are complete made up fantasy.

Interesting, why do you think so? There are definitely variations between different authorities (NHS, FDA, etc). FDA RDIs provide a sane default, and users can update nutrition preferences based on their health goals.

The entire "scientific" field of nutrition has gone down a wrong path a couple decades ago, and the FDA specifically with their recommendations to eat a lot of carbs has done the public a great disservice.

Outsiders of the field have slowly started to figure out where nutrition went wrong, but since entities like the FDA have spread missinformation for decades, there is a lot of inertia to overcome, which will sadly take another couple decades apparently. Best examples i can remember ad hoc are probably Gary Taubes and Robert Lustig.

It's pretty clear by now that the obsession with eating carbs is actively harmful and likely the cause for the diabetes and obesity epidemic. The obsession with polyunsaturated plant fats is next, they oxidize rapidly, even inside our bodies, and cause great damage.

The issue for nutritionists is one of credibility, how does a scientific field collectively turn on a dime and proclaim literally the opposite of what they have claimed in the decades prior?

Re: Show HN: Famnom – Nutrition tracker and meal planner for families

#59
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The Oracle" sounds like a cool feature!

it sucks though. it could be good but nobody cares

I've found it to be pretty unimaginative, yes! :) It often suggests organ meats to me or omelettes with dark leafy greens.

You know how there's the checkbox to exclude "My recipes" from the Oracles suggestions? I was debating making a recipe to act as one catch-all for all the foods that I don't like or can't tolerate and then tell the Oracle "exclude nuts, shellfish [I have allergies to those] and My Recipes" and see what it suggests. I find it frustrating that there's no "globally forget" option for the Oracle, so the other day I thought of the "My Recipes" as a hack to exclude foods that I don't like from the Oracle (but I haven't yet had a chance to implement this / try this out).

I fully agree that the Oracle is the most rudimentary 'suggestion robot' out there. (I can't even bring myself to call it a recommender system.) I wish that I could overweight some ingredients moreso than others: if I'm short on Mg AND selenium and only have 200 cal left in my day make sure I get the selenium, Oracle! Or over- or underweight, say, protein over total calories or something. With a little bit of rudimentary ML the Cronometer folks could make the Oracle tremendously useful, but I am unsure as to why they don't do this? Lack of expertise in recsys? Cronometer folks, if you want assistance in this space I'd be happy to help; just tell me what email address to email you at and we can chat.

Re: Show HN: Famnom – Nutrition tracker and meal planner for families

#60

This seems like Cronometer? I've been using Cronometer for a decade plus. It was built for folks who were following the CRON way of eating: Caloric Restriction Optimum Nutrition. So undereating by 20 - 30% of your recommended caloric needs for your height, weight, fat-to-muscle ratio, and activity level was the aim, but to do so while eating nutrient-rich foods, getting most or all of your nutrients from non-suppleme…

Cronometer is pretty great. However... It's multi-user support is... entirely non-existent. And they seem rather uninterested in feedback. I'd happily pay them for a feature where I could easily make dinner, and split it between multiple users. But no, I have to save a "recipe" (which stays in the DB forever) and then add a portion of that recipe from the other user's account. So a family-based offering is definitely…

Oh, yeah! The 'shared recipe' feature - or even just 'Let me easily export ALL of my recipes' (for my own records or to share with a spouse or someone else that I'm cooking/preparing meals with) would be awesome!

While I appreciate the data privacy stance of Cronometer immensely there are a few 'collaborative use' features that I wish I could opt into on Cronometer like the shared recipe feature that you mention. Shared exercise info would be great too! Let's say we go on a bike ride together: I can kick over the Exercise activity to your Cronometer account too. Great for parents inputting their kids info too. Not a parent but if I wanted to log my kids' nutrient intake and make sure that they were getting X minutes of sustained bike-riding, swimming, whatever each week it would be great to do some fitness activities together and then kick the activity log over to the kids profile. So as not to cause eating disorders or whatnot I obviously wouldn't make kids log their food intake. My grandmother had me do that as a (mildly chubby) child and go to TOPS with her and it was ... weird.

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