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A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by beached_whale »

twayt wrote: post #23
carbadtraingood wrote: post #14

The answer from the federation is unconscionable. They blamed the boy and then said they could not be held responsible. Fuck off, a kid made a reasonable kid movement. If the robot wasn't ready to be around children, it shouldn't have been deployed around children. And there should have been a big red button that immediately everything, within reach of every player.

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If this was any workplace in many countries, the robot owner would totally be culpable, even if it wasn't a child. There's a reason that people are not allowed near robots in many cases.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

twayt wrote: post #23
carbadtraingood wrote: post #14

The answer from the federation is unconscionable. They blamed the boy and then said they could not be held responsible. Fuck off, a kid made a reasonable kid movement. If the robot wasn't ready to be around children, it shouldn't have been deployed around children. And there should have been a big red button that immediately everything, within reach of every player.

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You can't just 'waive' criminal responsebility - if I have a dangerous dog or industrial machinery that chops off hands, it doesn't matter what piece of paper the kid or the legal guardians sign, If I purposefully let kids play with them, I have put kdis in harms way.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by kstenerud »

Nextgrid wrote: post #30
kstenerud wrote: post #22

One has to wonder why the hell they'd make a chess robot with a grip so strong that it takes the concerted effort of two adults to pry it loose. And blaming it on the kid was real classy.

The robot is a standard industrial robot arm that happens to be used for chess - it it was not made to be a chess robot. This is absolutely overkill for chess even just from a cost perspective so you wouldn't build something like this if you actually were building a chess robot. The amount of pressure this robot applies is totally adequate for its normal operating environment which is far away from humans. There migh…

Which leads to the next question: WHY is such a dangerous robot being used to play chess against people?

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by kortilla »

twayt wrote: post #23
carbadtraingood wrote: post #14

The answer from the federation is unconscionable. They blamed the boy and then said they could not be held responsible. Fuck off, a kid made a reasonable kid movement. If the robot wasn't ready to be around children, it shouldn't have been deployed around children. And there should have been a big red button that immediately everything, within reach of every player.

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>people sign a disclaimer about the risks, they can not be held responsible.

This isn’t adequate in civilized countries. You can’t run an amusement park that severs the limbs of 1% of the participants under the protection of a disclaimer.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by Nextgrid »

kstenerud wrote: post #33
Nextgrid wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The robot is a standard industrial robot arm that happens to be used for chess - it it was not made to be a chess robot. This is absolutely overkill for chess even just from a cost perspective so you wouldn't build something like this if you actually were building a chess robot. The amount of pressure this robot applies is totally adequate for its normal operating environment which is far away from humans. There migh…

Which leads to the next question: WHY is such a dangerous robot being used to play chess against people?

Most likely because they got it for cheap/free and someone had some fun programming it without ever thinking about the dangers - presumably they never actually observed just how much force this thing could produce.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by defrost »

EddySchauHai wrote: post #15
johnnyApplePRNG wrote: post #9

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Second Congo War, or the African World War, between Rwanda and Uganda was huge (1998-2003). 5.4 million casualties.

and more or less a direct offshoot of the major nuclear powers (USA and Russia) jockeying for control via proxies of the regions with the largest purest resources to feed into the Cold War nuclear demand.

A great deal of off the book destabilisation took place throughout central Africa to suppress strong independant government and knock down successive puppet governments.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

twayt wrote: post #24
ip26 wrote: post #21

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Briefed the users? You mean the second graders it played against?

Yes, or the parents who let them play against it.

That's not how health and safety works, you can't just leave children near lethal machinery like chainsaws and molten metal spewing form an arc furnace after 'briefing' them.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by antoniuschan99 »

Nextgrid wrote: post #30
kstenerud wrote: post #22

One has to wonder why the hell they'd make a chess robot with a grip so strong that it takes the concerted effort of two adults to pry it loose. And blaming it on the kid was real classy.

The robot is a standard industrial robot arm that happens to be used for chess - it it was not made to be a chess robot. This is absolutely overkill for chess even just from a cost perspective so you wouldn't build something like this if you actually were building a chess robot. The amount of pressure this robot applies is totally adequate for its normal operating environment which is far away from humans. There migh…

I have a robot arm (Dobot MG400), it has a has a force sensitivity setting (5 levels) that stops when a collision happens. There's also an e-stop that you can hit that will stop the robot.
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