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Re: The AI Battle

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

dougabug wrote: post #108
YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #70

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Why "infamous"? In any case, Levy did win his bet when there had been no computer chess engine that could beat him in ten years after betting against McCarthy and Michie [1]. Despite that he acknowledge that chess engines had improved further than he had thought: >> Levy wrote, "I had proved that my 1968 assessment had been correct, but on the other hand my opponent in this match was very, very much stronger than I h…

Well, Levy won the bet, but just barely. More importantly, his dismissive attitude towards AI mastering chess (“[…] the idea of an electronic world champion belongs only in the pages of a science fiction book.”) was deeply shaken.

Sure, but I just think it's all a bit more nuancend than the way the OPs make it to be. There's always a lot of speculation that goes both ways: either AI is just around the corner, or it's never gonna happen. And there's plenty of opinions and educated guesses in the middle, always.

Re: The AI Battle

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Post by tialaramex »

YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #73
carapace wrote: post #53

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Here's me almost exactly six years ago, predicting "most coding and design tasks will be automated within three to five years." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11718300 If we count GitHub Copilot as the tip of the spear then I was too optimistic. > GitHub Copilot ... was first announced by GitHub on 29 June 2021 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GitHub_Copilot

You were too pessimistic! Automatic programming, a.k.a. program synthesis, has been a thing since the early days of AI and computer science, for example the idea of deductive program synthesis, where a program is generated wholesale from a complete specification in a formal language that is not a computer language goes at least as back as Alonzo Church himself, in 1957: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Program_synthesis…

Dickmann's car does Autobahn (~US freeway) traffic under controlled conditions. It doesn't need to understand junctions or traffic signals, there aren't any. It doesn't need to understand pedestrians, there aren't any. It doesn't need to understand bicycles, there aren't any. What happens if things go wrong? In practice a human takes the wheel, this is not a system capable of safely leaving traffic when it can't cope, so it was never demonstrated without what we'd today call a "safety driver". That's not autonomous self-driving cars minus a little bit more research, it's improved Cruise Control.

Waymo has taxi service. It's losing money doing that, and it's only in a few select places, but it's doing autonomous journeys, with no "safety driver" on city streets. It understands junctions, and traffic signals, pedestrians and cyclists, because on the city streets those things are commonplace. It's doing the hard part.

I don't think that constitutes "crawled marginally forward", it's a considerable advance.

Re: The AI Battle

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Post by carapace »

YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #130
carapace wrote: post #111

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That's right, this is your field isn't it? Cheers! Gosh, the robot car work was incredible, I can't believe I've never heard of it before! - - - - Copilot isn't cutting edge but it's significance is just that it's a mass market tool. It will be interesting to see how well it does, and whether users find it worthwhile overall after a couple of years. Will it be improved to the point where it starts to compete with its…

Ah, my field is Inductive Logic Programming - a sub-sub-sub-sub field of program synthesis. But I need to know the basics! I think Copilot can be used very effectively, as long as its capabilities and their limitations are communicated clearly. For instance, I think it can make a great boilerplate generator, as long as users stick to short code snippets. Well, I don't know about replacing programmers. I think that's…

Good lord! Sometimes I think the only thing that has prevented the techno-singularity happening already is the tendency of humanity to strenuously ignore prior art.

Cheers!

Re: The AI Battle

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Post by pasztet »

ilaksh wrote: post #75
qualudeheart wrote: post #20

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I agree that the horse picture sucks. Other people might say that they like Dall-E’s output on Twitter, for signalling purposes, but I still think they don’t really believe that. Still, it’s only a matter of time till nicer graphics are possible. Most graphic designers and artists are still worse than this thing, especially the type that bought a $200 drawing tablet on Amazon and sell their services on Fiverr. Those…

How about now? Check out the Midjourney Discord bot. You can keep on doing variations and tweaks until you get one you like.

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Re: The AI Battle

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Post by pasztet »

ilaksh wrote: post #75
qualudeheart wrote: post #20

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I agree that the horse picture sucks. Other people might say that they like Dall-E’s output on Twitter, for signalling purposes, but I still think they don’t really believe that. Still, it’s only a matter of time till nicer graphics are possible. Most graphic designers and artists are still worse than this thing, especially the type that bought a $200 drawing tablet on Amazon and sell their services on Fiverr. Those…

How about now? Check out the Midjourney Discord bot. You can keep on doing variations and tweaks until you get one you like.

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Re: The AI Battle

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Post by pasztet »

ilaksh wrote: post #75
qualudeheart wrote: post #20

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I agree that the horse picture sucks. Other people might say that they like Dall-E’s output on Twitter, for signalling purposes, but I still think they don’t really believe that. Still, it’s only a matter of time till nicer graphics are possible. Most graphic designers and artists are still worse than this thing, especially the type that bought a $200 drawing tablet on Amazon and sell their services on Fiverr. Those…

How about now? Check out the Midjourney Discord bot. You can keep on doing variations and tweaks until you get one you like.

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Re: The AI Battle

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Post by TheRealNGenius »

magusdei wrote: post #105
TheRealNGenius wrote: post #99

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Agree, this is like those AI anime character generator game startups that YC seems to enjoy investing in so much. They think they can leverage AI face generation to "somehow" make a game/experience/show/app/nft/whatever when that is the extent of their tech. With no consideration at all of any of the actual work that goes into making anything actually valuable. But I mean, who's the idiot - the company that boasts th…

>AI anime character generator game startups that YC seems to enjoy investing in Wait, YC invests in this space? If it isn't any trouble, could you point me to a few?

Parent comment reads as if they lack the mental faculties to grasp basic English. It’s no wonder that a cursory Google search is beyond their abilities.
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