A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter • Hacker News Board

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by ruined » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 7:34 PM UTC

pvg wrote: post #416

soraminazuki wrote: post #405

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So if I send you an automated message saying that you have done something illegal, you’d be fine with that? That’s not accusing you of a crime? That’s absurd.

'crime', 'illegal', etc, are rhetorical escalations you brought into this. Twitter suspends accounts that violate its policy against "intimate photos or videos of someone that were produced or distributed without their consent". The policy includes content that appears to be that but might not be, content posted inadvertently or with the intent to report, etc. There's no mention of crime and of course, there's no eas…

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Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by wswope » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 7:36 PM UTC

dorkwood wrote: post #285

At least Twitter has an appeal process. My Instagram account was switched off without warning. If I try to log in on desktop, I get a message telling me to "confirm your information using the Instagram app to try to get back to your account". The problem is that if I try to log in to the app, all I get is a black screen. This happens on both Android and iPhone. There are some buttons on the Android version, but the i…

If you’re unable to access your email notification settings related to the account you’re locked out of, and have received any non-transactional emails related to the account, you can email their legal team regarding a CANSPAM violation to get a real human on the case (or a payday if they choose not to respond). May not apply to your circumstances; just throwing it out as I’ve had it work before in a similar context.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by dantheman » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 7:42 PM UTC

q-big wrote: post #428

cgriswald wrote: post #371

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This guy is upset that the free service he uses employs imperfect AI and it affected him personally. I agree we shouldn't be using AI for everything and we might even include humans after an AI makes a call just to verify the call. However, that has a cost and this guy isn't paying. I'd guess this guy wouldn't pay, because having to deal with occasional AI errors is part of the cost and he clearly doesn't want to pay…

> This guy is upset that the free service he uses Twitter is not free. It's just that the payment is not money, but personal data, generating content that Twitter can use, and being a viewer of ads.

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Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by jjulius » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 7:50 PM UTC

nier wrote: post #99

jjulius wrote: post #87

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I'm as, "Fuck Facebook," as the next guy, but... yikes.

I agree with you, yikes. But the concepts of rehabilitation and reintegration are not known to everyone.

Nuance and understanding, too, it seems.

They said "ex engineer", but nobody bothered asking what they worked on or why they left. Instead, you've got a bunch of people suggesting that they should be kept out of the rest of society because their resume says "Facebook". Boggles the mind.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by hwillis » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 7:51 PM UTC

MegaButts wrote: post #406

hwillis wrote: post #403

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Right... do you yell at waiters and phone support people too? You're doing that to someone who has absolutely nothing to do with the problem you are having, is probably often harrassed by people like you, and who are at literally the lowest rung on the ladder. You're making people's day worse for absolutely no reason except that you can't make yourself feel better without being obnoxious to someone else.

This has nothing to do with making people feel better. It's about holding twitter accountable to their own policies. What do you suggest I do if not use their own support system? The next step is to blast social media. "You cannot possibly be this dense" is referring to whoever is making the decision. If the support team has the ability to overturn this decision, and they maintain the decision, then they are indeed t…

Support systems have absolutely nothing to do with holding anyone accountable ever, and I don't know why you think they would.

> "You cannot possibly be this dense" is referring to whoever is making the decision.

Is this random guy making 8.50 supposed to read your mind? The person reading your brilliant commentary is not going to send it upwards for you. Literally the only person reading it is the guy you sent it to.

You're acting like the random support guy is an idiot, and when you do that he's going to also assume you're an idiot, because you're acting like one when you send a message to one guy and say "you're dense" while actually referring to some third party.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by rekrsiv » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 7:53 PM UTC

In short: An automated process made a mistake and a customer made it worse by being mean.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by MegaButts » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 7:54 PM UTC

hwillis wrote: post #435

MegaButts wrote: post #406

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This has nothing to do with making people feel better. It's about holding twitter accountable to their own policies. What do you suggest I do if not use their own support system? The next step is to blast social media. "You cannot possibly be this dense" is referring to whoever is making the decision. If the support team has the ability to overturn this decision, and they maintain the decision, then they are indeed t…

Support systems have absolutely nothing to do with holding anyone accountable ever, and I don't know why you think they would. > "You cannot possibly be this dense" is referring to whoever is making the decision. Is this random guy making 8.50 supposed to read your mind? The person reading your brilliant commentary is not going to send it upwards for you. Literally the only person reading it is the guy you sent it to…

> You're acting like the random support guy is an idiot

It's exactly the opposite. I'm treating him with enough respect to think he can think for himself. You're assuming he's an idiot and needs to be coddled. You're actually being condescending even if you mean well.

> Is this random guy making 8.50

Why does his pay matter? It feels like an assumption that he's dumber because he's not well paid.

> supposed to read your mind

No, he's supposed to read my words. If I believe a peer could understand me easily, why do I need to dumb down what I say for him?

I've worked retail before. There are people that are just assholes and there are people with legitimate complaints. I laugh at the assholes and they make my day better, not worse. It's the people with legitimate complaints that I try to actually help.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by idrios » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 7:55 PM UTC

patmorgan23 wrote: post #105

znpy wrote: post #94

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Many people are laughing at the whole NFT thing right now but I suspect that in 10-15 years people will be laughing even harder when the whole thing collapses. Yeah you got stuff in a blockchain, but the "stuff" you put in there is a mere link to a service which might not survive so long (most services don't). So yeah in 10-15 years you'll probably have a lot of former nft owners that only own a broken link (or possi…

Bold thinking NFTs will make it more than 5 years

NFTs will be around forever. They'll be mocked forever too.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by MikeDelta » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 7:57 PM UTC

philipswood wrote: post #358

teawrecks wrote: post #350

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What is the clear path?

"you cannot be unsuspended until either they agree your appeal is correct (which it is), you give up your appeal (never), and/or delete the offending tweet." Delete the offending tweet.

Just speculating (I hope) but curious what others think.

Say that a video is flagged, user gets the above response and user simply deletes the video. To me it feels like an implicit admission, not having any additional information like "you were right, sorry" or "it is totally incorrect but easier to do this than to fight it".

And say only this metadata is stored, not the video itself, it becomes impossible to judge afterwards.

And say once in a while these logs are reviewed by another party (law enforcement perhaps). Might that be sufficient to end up one some kind of watch list?

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by novok » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 8:14 PM UTC

lapcat wrote: post #129

My Twitter account has been suspended multiple times, the last time for an obvious joke. As with the article author here, Twitter reviewed my appeal and denied it. https://lapcatsoftware.com/articles/twitter4.html In the end I caved, giving Twitter my phone number and deleting the tweet, because I need my Twitter account for professional purposes. But now guess what, there was a data breach, and hackers are selling m…

That is why you have separate business phone numbers and addresses that you should be ok with being public and are not actually used for anything serious security wise, so you don't care if it is 'breached', because it's already publicly listed.