A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter • Hacker News Board

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by jrm4 » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 5:03 PM UTC

micimize wrote: post #329

A. A human _was_ involved and B. His issue was resolved within 24 hours: https://twitter.com/imranzomg/status/1549914737781063680 Like, come on. I agree that the processes and moderation models could be better, especially at the appeals phase, but we don't see the other side of the battle twitter content moderation is fighting. Even if their doing a stellar job statistics-wise, we probably wouldn't know because PR wo…

"We don't see the other side" is perhaps literally the biggest problem.

I will have sympathy for this process when they choose to tell us how it all works, clearly and plainly. Otherwise, let the metaphorical rock-throwing continue.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by uncletaco » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 5:06 PM UTC

chimeracoder wrote: post #309

uncletaco wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The government acted legally. That was (and in a lot of cases still is) the problem. In fact most cities and local governments reserve the right to use hoses and dogs they just don't because it would be bad optics. As the saying goes "the more things change, the more they stay the same".

> The government acted legally. That was (and in a lot of cases still is) the problem. Sure - I understood "dog bites and hoses" here to be a synedoche for the general government and civilian response to the civil rights protests, some of which was legal and some of which was not. Obviously I don't know the specifics of your teachers' particular stories. It's easy to write off those atrocities with "that happened, bu…

Understood and I agree. I always feel like it's important to stress that when those protests happened the government's response (by way of the police force) was considered well within it's right, in support of your main point.

It's a quibble but an important quibble imo.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by Kalium » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 5:07 PM UTC

bryan0 wrote: post #193

> You cannot possibly be this dense. Who is the dense one here? You just insulted a person who has to look at a million of these, and had absolutely nothing to do with the misclassification, and then you’re surprised when they rejected your appeal. Remember there are actual people reading your words (at least for now)

This is a great illustration of why appeals processes are often not taken very seriously. Generally they're used to re-litigate the issue by people who do not even consider the possibility that they may have violated policies. The insults are just the icing on the cake.

Basically, the real people involved know that appeals processes are going to be subject to vast quantities of what amounts to spam.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by dapids » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 5:07 PM UTC

micimize wrote: post #329

A. A human _was_ involved and B. His issue was resolved within 24 hours: https://twitter.com/imranzomg/status/1549914737781063680 Like, come on. I agree that the processes and moderation models could be better, especially at the appeals phase, but we don't see the other side of the battle twitter content moderation is fighting. Even if their doing a stellar job statistics-wise, we probably wouldn't know because PR wo…

What are you arguing here? That twitter is good at moderation because we simply can't see it behind the scenes?

I can think of hundred different ways this could have affected someone negatively, especially if they weren't able to speak with support in native language.

So c'mon, there is no excuse for this ban to take place, and then continue to be banned after the first appeal, statistics or not.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by TameAntelope » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 5:13 PM UTC

> Here’s the thing: I’m a stinker. Even at my jolliest, if someone figuratively shoulder-checks me, I’m probably going to make so many mountains out of this molehill that I will adjust the topography of the United States significantly.

I’m sorry, but this is your real problem, not Twitter banning you. This is called “pride” and is historically recognized as one of the largest “problem creators” as far as emotions go.

The author writes like this is some kind of noble trait, but is in reality very probably the source of many of the author’s negative experiences.

There is a clear path to getting unbanned from Twitter, but the author refuses to take it. Shame.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by PragmaticPulp » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 5:22 PM UTC

mkl95 wrote: post #10

> Overnight, I received a response that my appeal had been denied. So a human being, someone who works at Twitter dot com, looked at that video, looked back at the rule it was breaking, looked once again at the video, and went “Yeah, this all checks out.” My guess is that appeals are either processed by some simple code or offloaded to some cheap labour service - such as Amazon Mechanical Turkey or some sweatshop in…

The author responded in the appeal with "You cannot possibly be this dense."

If you want to win an appeal, starting by accusing your appeal reviewer of being dense isn't a good strategy.

I wouldn't be surprised if they have a rule that covers this type of behavior in appeals, and the appeal was denied due to language instead of the content itself.

Is it fair? From a content moderation perspective, no it's not. But I can also see why a platform would not be in a rush to restore accounts where the appellant can't even behave nicely in a two-sentence appeal.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by bavell » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 5:23 PM UTC

powerhour wrote: post #197

gruez wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>You can basically advocate for genocide, completely unhindered, by calling entire classes of people "degenerate" (literal Nazi rhetoric), Are you sure you're not reading too much into it? Without context it's really hard to tell whether a use of "degenerate" literally means you want to genocide some group.

When folks call trans people "degenerate", as many are wont to do on reddit (and as reddit is well known for), it's probably safe to assume they're not just trying to be playful.

Does "degenerate" only imply genocide when referring to trans people or has it always implied that? I never got the memo on this one.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by Nextgrid » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 5:23 PM UTC

stiltzkin wrote: post #340

Nextgrid wrote: post #306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"broken link" is indeed not the only problem with NFTs, but I'm keen to hear your perspective on NFT use-cases.

ENS (web3 domains), mirror.xyz (publishing), shibuya.xyz (video content), sunflower land (gamefi), membership nfts (bayc). There are more used cases that are experimental. But "broken links" is why I do not take HN users seriously about web3.

> membership nfts (bayc)

I have a problem with this one - the membership is supposed to give you access to events/etc hosted by BAYC, so in this case they are the trusted party and can run a database. The blockchain doesn't seem like it adds anything here because ultimately BAYC can choose to deny entry for any reason.

Furthermore, how do they handle the case where a membership NFT is stolen or acquired illegitimately? Do they still honor the stolen NFT and let the thief in? Do they blacklist the NFT and re-mint a new one to give to the original owner? Etc.

Interaction with real-world state is where all blockchain-based projects break down. Blockchains can only enforce their guarantees on the chain itself - replicating it to the real world requires a trusted party, at which point a lot of the blockchain's perks no longer apply and a database starts making more sense.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by q-big » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 5:25 PM UTC

eckesicle wrote: post #179

It's interesting to read the comments here and the debate around whether social media counts as a public square or not. Ultimately, the web, and social media, is where a majority of our citizens spend a large chunk of their time. While it's certainly true, that you don't _need_ to access them to live your life, for the vast majority of us it would be more than an inconvenience to be banned. In all other aspects of ou…

> These societal rules and norms, are, and should be governed by a democratic process.

By deleting your account at services that show such a licentious behaviour, you can cast your democratic vote against such services. Not doing this or at least starting or joining a huge riot against such services as soon as you hear about such licentious behaviour means casting a democratic vote that what the big tech company is doing is all right.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by teawrecks » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 5:26 PM UTC

TameAntelope wrote: post #345

> Here’s the thing: I’m a stinker. Even at my jolliest, if someone figuratively shoulder-checks me, I’m probably going to make so many mountains out of this molehill that I will adjust the topography of the United States significantly. I’m sorry, but this is your real problem, not Twitter banning you. This is called “pride” and is historically recognized as one of the largest “problem creators” as far as emotions go.…

What is the clear path?