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New divorce app to help couples split assets in New York without lawyers

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Re: New divorce app to help couples split assets in New York without lawyers

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My parents divorced recently. Watching two of the most important people in my life gradually grow to resent each other to the point where they can't stand each other's presence was hard for me even as a thirty year old. I can't imagine what this experience would have done to me as a child, so I'm thankful that they stuck together for as long as they did. In the end I was actually the one who suggested that they shoul…

Being alone becomes a risk as you get older. Be careful and make sure you keep close friends.

Re: New divorce app to help couples split assets in New York without lawyers

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post #173

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"Going in with a co-operative mindset (at least until the other party demonstrates they are not) should be win-win." Completely agree. However, the underlying reason for many divorces is that they no long have the ability to cooperate or view things rationally.

The ability is still there. Usually it’s the willingness that’s absent.

In some cases. In others the individual(s) may be irrationally emotional and might need a lot of therapy to overcome those emotional impulses.

Re: New divorce app to help couples split assets in New York without lawyers

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post #72

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It shouldn't be that scary. I've been married coming up on 10 years in January. I've been the sole income provider for a large majority of the marriage. I wouldn't be able to make the income that I do without the contributions my wife has made to making my life easier, and in general keeping the more administrative aspects of life under control. I'm in a marriage with her because I love her and respect her. Part of t…

I'd advise the friend of yours to create a relationship their spouse wants to be in This just isn't always possible. Sometimes, folks change and want different things in life. For example: If my spouse suddenly decided he wanted children, that would end the relationship for me. I could not expect them to go without something they are finding critical to their happiness, but I'm not willing to bear children for someon…

sure, people aren't static, and needs and wants change over time. sometimes they diverge.

I certainly didn't mean that one should betray their own needs or boundaries to accommodate their spouse. My intent was more to convey that fostering a caring, loving, respectful, and interdependent relationship drastically lowers the probability of a divorce. Life still happens.

Of course our existing systems aren't perfect either. I do think there's probably a case for a lower bounds on when alimony is viable. e.g., if the paying party is/would be below the poverty line, but I'm far from well enough informed to speculate what a good system would be.

Re: New divorce app to help couples split assets in New York without lawyers

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post #72

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It shouldn't be that scary. I've been married coming up on 10 years in January. I've been the sole income provider for a large majority of the marriage. I wouldn't be able to make the income that I do without the contributions my wife has made to making my life easier, and in general keeping the more administrative aspects of life under control. I'm in a marriage with her because I love her and respect her. Part of t…

> I'd advise the friend of yours to create a relationship their spouse wants to be in. That's how you prevent the downsides of alimony. This is simply not true. Your spouse has free will, and can use that free will to make marriage-ending decisions, no matter what you do.

of course -- read literally, it's not true. I just left a comment[0] that clarifies what my intent to convey was. tldr: it lowers the probability of divorce.

one person can't reduce that chance to zero, because as you mentioned, the other person very much has free will.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32204289

Re: New divorce app to help couples split assets in New York without lawyers

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post #188

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> More importantly it's not the state's business to override the desires of citizens to end a domestic partnership. There is significant evidence that divorce frequently has long-term (indeed, life-long) negative impacts on children. A recent meta-analysis [0] concluded that: > A significant association between parental divorce and every aspect of mental health was found with the following pooled ORs (95% CIs): Depre…

Because it's the state using it's monopoly on violence to interfere with the intimate lives of private citizens. The government doesn't have a right to tell you which consenting adults you can be in a relationship with or have sex with, which is what interfering with divorce is trying to do. If the state wants to protect children, then it can focus it's efforts on that and maybe start by not trying to force people wh…

> Because it's the state using it's monopoly on violence

> At gunpoint.

You could say that about almost all functions of the government. Not the least because it's almost entirely funded by taxes, which are collected "at gunpoint".

> If the state wants to protect children, then it can focus it's efforts on that

Because there are other ways to protect children, that doesn't mean stable families shouldn't a social policy goal.

Re: New divorce app to help couples split assets in New York without lawyers

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Does this handle potential alimony? That’s the thing that scares me about getting divorced. A friend of mine confided in me that their partner hasn’t worked since they been married and is afraid that ending the relationship would put them in a deep alimony situation. Unfortunate side effect of living in a high cost are sure but I understand their frustration

Alimony varies by state. In California if it’s less than 5 years the higher earner will owe alimony for half the length of the marriage. Other states you have to be married X amount of years before it’s obligated.

Re: New divorce app to help couples split assets in New York without lawyers

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post #188

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> More importantly it's not the state's business to override the desires of citizens to end a domestic partnership. There is significant evidence that divorce frequently has long-term (indeed, life-long) negative impacts on children. A recent meta-analysis [0] concluded that: > A significant association between parental divorce and every aspect of mental health was found with the following pooled ORs (95% CIs): Depre…

Because it's the state using it's monopoly on violence to interfere with the intimate lives of private citizens. The government doesn't have a right to tell you which consenting adults you can be in a relationship with or have sex with, which is what interfering with divorce is trying to do. If the state wants to protect children, then it can focus it's efforts on that and maybe start by not trying to force people wh…

> Because it's the state using it's monopoly on violence

Divorce is itself an instance of the state’s “monopoly on violence”. A state agent (a judge) will decide on issues such as property and custody, and then the state’s “monopoly on violence” will be used to enforce that judicial decision. “At gunpoint” even. Or else, the parties may reach an agreement, a settlement - coerced by the threat of a judge deciding it if they don’t - and then the “state’s monopoly on violence” will be used to enforce that agreement, and in particular the state’s interpretation of it.

Frequently, divorce is forced by the state’s threat of violence on an unwilling spouse. I saw with my own adolescent eyes how my mother used the state’s monopoly of violence to force divorce on my father even when he didn’t want it, and when he was the victim of her adultery-a fact about which the state chose not to care. My father was the victim-and I believe that my siblings and I are victims of her adultery too-my mother the perpetrator-and the state used its monopoly of violence to help her in victimising us. And while I never saw a gun in the whole sorry saga, state agents with guns were only ever a phone call away.

Re: New divorce app to help couples split assets in New York without lawyers

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post #136

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I thought prenups were for couples where one or both parties are bringing assets into the divorce? Like, I'd consider one if I had any real assets or savings beyond my retirement accounts, but at the time I got married I didn't.

In place I currently live even retirements savings are part of divorce split, and I don't think any prenup can affect that. They basically add them together and split 50:50, which is often more fair to women who skipped years of work and career building and stayed with kids. Earned before/during marriage doesn't matter in this case.

"which is often more fair to women who skipped years of work and career building and stayed with kids."

Or unfair to those who simply choose not to save (without staying home with kids).

"Earned before/during marriage doesn't matter in this case."

That sounds like a terrible and unfair place. Where is that?

Re: New divorce app to help couples split assets in New York without lawyers

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post #146
post #133

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Simpler option is to avoid marriage, greatly reducing the pressure on getting a divorce.

Then you have to pay more in taxes, having kids is more challenging, getting a mortgage becomes more expensive, immigration becomes impossible, and in some countries even travel becomes difficult.

"Then you have to pay more in taxes"

How? Taxes for couples are generally just doubled. You can actually save on taxes by not being married and maneuvering who claims what (house, dependants, etc).

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