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Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by panarky »

spinny wrote: post #174
OrangeMonkey wrote: post #12

This is how big tech does damage to humans. Love it or hate it, the online world is our current public square. A public square, in the united states, has typically been an area where people can shout out their concerns or whatever they want to anyone who can listen and the government cannot stop it. Currently, our public squares are owned by private megacorporations that not only ban people for reasons many people ag…

Not to mention the Orwellian proposition: "delete the pic we deemed wrong so we can unban you". Apparently it's hard to just delete the offending pic, it's better to teach you a lesson and make you do it. There are four lights

It's not censorship when you delete your own content.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by spinny »

piva00 wrote: post #243
est31 wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally I prefer getting a message "delete this please" instead of some of my messages/pictures/etc. silently disappearing without me noticing. Ideally, they would make the pic not available to other users, but still available to me, and notify me that my account will get banned in $N days. Ideally, during that phase there would be the option to pay some minor amount of money and ask to get a human moderator invol…

> Ideally, they would make the pic not available to other users, but still available to me, and notify me that my account will get banned in $N days. During that phase you might even pay some minor amount of money and ask to get a human moderator involved to review your case. This would just become another revenue stream given enough time and changes of leadership around such a system. Treading a thin line on just ho…

yup. and as soon it becomes a revenue stream, there is no incentive to prevent false flagging

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by ShamelessC »

TheRealPomax wrote: post #272
spicyusername wrote: post #7

It seems like the problem with many of these tech companies (and many modern companies in general) is that they've scaled faster than they have the ability to operate properly. "How can we possibly moderate properly without AI?" is really just another way of saying "We don't want to pay the money it's going to cost to moderate effectively and we're going to cross our fingers that we can solve problems caused by techn…

It's not "want", Twitter (or youtube, or facebook, etc. etc.) can't in a million years afford content moderation because of the sheer firehose of content. They'd literally have to employ everyone on the planet to get enough moderators in every language for every tweet, post, video, etc. on the platform. And then only one company would have enough moderators. Moderators are a finite resource, there aren't even enough…

My frustration isn't really rooted in legality and has more to do with my personal beliefs about tech and unregulated capitalism.

I've worked in tech a bit - I know how this goes. Some company wants to get a massive valuation by hitting DAU's in the millions, but you can't do maintenance/support with that many users in a single org even if you wanted to. As an engineer, I can totally relate to the feeling of "fuck support - that sounds awful", and I struggle to blame _them_ because, well - like I said, even if they tried they couldn't possible cover that much work due to an inability to scale their organization.

Psychologically? It's pretty easy to get pissed off at these companies when this happens. These companies are growth-obsessed and the ostensible philosophy is always "making the world a better place". STFU and do your jobs or don't build a product that can't scale and try to pretend it's scaling just fine.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by robswc »

booleandilemma wrote: post #37
OrangeMonkey wrote: post #12

This is how big tech does damage to humans. Love it or hate it, the online world is our current public square. A public square, in the united states, has typically been an area where people can shout out their concerns or whatever they want to anyone who can listen and the government cannot stop it. Currently, our public squares are owned by private megacorporations that not only ban people for reasons many people ag…

Eh, I don't buy the public square argument. The online world is a cesspool filled with bots and crazy people. I don't need to voice my opinion on Twitter, nor is Twitter a place I need to be . What matters is how we relate to the people around us, in our communities. Your neighbor isn't a bot, the barista at the coffee shop isn't a russian troll. We need to stop taking the "online world" so seriously and connect with…

I get that. The problem is Twitter/TikTok/Facebook does and will spill into the real world and truly effect you.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by OrangeMonkey »

uncletaco wrote: post #296
OrangeMonkey wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They remember the dog bites because its cases where the government acted illegally and were taken to task. Today, the governing actor of our virtual public squares are corporations - and a significant amount of people (maybe not you) seem to be ok with them taking what actions they wish.

It wasn't "illegal" for Bull Connor to use dogs and hoses. The problem was that it was legal and for most white people in the south, encouraged. Again this is another example of having a convenient lie ready made to fit a strongly held belief.

Look man is there some reason you presuppose bad intent and ascribe to a difference of opinion as a lie?

There was a time when wanting free speech was a good thing. It wasn’t that long ago.

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Post by Nextgrid »

stiltzkin wrote: post #260
znpy wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many people are laughing at the whole NFT thing right now but I suspect that in 10-15 years people will be laughing even harder when the whole thing collapses. Yeah you got stuff in a blockchain, but the "stuff" you put in there is a mere link to a service which might not survive so long (most services don't). So yeah in 10-15 years you'll probably have a lot of former nft owners that only own a broken link (or possi…

Try harder, look other uses cases of NFTs other than "broken link". You speak with so much confidence without knowing what you are talking about.

"broken link" is indeed not the only problem with NFTs, but I'm keen to hear your perspective on NFT use-cases.

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Post by lifeformed »

TheRealPomax wrote: post #272
spicyusername wrote: post #7

It seems like the problem with many of these tech companies (and many modern companies in general) is that they've scaled faster than they have the ability to operate properly. "How can we possibly moderate properly without AI?" is really just another way of saying "We don't want to pay the money it's going to cost to moderate effectively and we're going to cross our fingers that we can solve problems caused by techn…

It's not "want", Twitter (or youtube, or facebook, etc. etc.) can't in a million years afford content moderation because of the sheer firehose of content. They'd literally have to employ everyone on the planet to get enough moderators in every language for every tweet, post, video, etc. on the platform. And then only one company would have enough moderators. Moderators are a finite resource, there aren't even enough…

You don't need human eyes on every single tweet, just need enough people to review the flagged content. You could still have algorithms flag things and rank them by confidence levels. You could also hide the content first and queue it for human review instead of auto-banning the user. It's a lot of work, but I feel like there's a lot more that could be done.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by chimeracoder »

uncletaco wrote: post #298
chimeracoder wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They remember the dog bites because its cases where the government acted illegally and were taken to task. Uh, no. Society has whitewashed the history of the Civil Rights Movement, but popular sentiment at the time was not with Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, the other freedom riders, etc. Civilians and the government sometimes acted illegally, sure, but some of those actions were absolutely legal. (Not to mention…

The government acted legally. That was (and in a lot of cases still is) the problem. In fact most cities and local governments reserve the right to use hoses and dogs they just don't because it would be bad optics. As the saying goes "the more things change, the more they stay the same".

> The government acted legally. That was (and in a lot of cases still is) the problem.

Sure - I understood "dog bites and hoses" here to be a synedoche for the general government and civilian response to the civil rights protests, some of which was legal and some of which was not. Obviously I don't know the specifics of your teachers' particular stories.

It's easy to write off those atrocities with "that happened, but it was dealt with, and it's in the past now" - which, as you pointed out in the other comment, is a convenient lie. My main point was that these were not isolated incidents (as GP implied), and that - whether legal or not - those involved faced few consequences (if any) for their actions.

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Post by octonion »

OrangeMonkey wrote: post #12

This is how big tech does damage to humans. Love it or hate it, the online world is our current public square. A public square, in the united states, has typically been an area where people can shout out their concerns or whatever they want to anyone who can listen and the government cannot stop it. Currently, our public squares are owned by private megacorporations that not only ban people for reasons many people ag…

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