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Re: Google fires engineer who called its AI sentient

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Post by JoshCole » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 3:58 PM UTC

mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #413

JoshCole wrote: post #383

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You should check out the YouTube of the cat that was trained to use buttons to speak. It sometimes says things that are surprising which it wasn't trained to say directly - like complaining that its owners music is bad. I realize that this isn't contradicting your thesis of language models not being conscious - but I just generally think people should check out things like that cat. So I'm not trying to disagree with…

I already have, and I'm considering trying it out with my own cat at some point. Cats are way more intelligent than people give them credit for, I agree. But I think you can get very far without the ability to turn the mind's eye inward, and I don't think it's controversial to state that cats don't have a great deal of self-awareness and metacognitive ability. Neosocial insects like ants are amazing indeed. I often w…

A way to make it stop hurting to think about, replaced instead by transcendental beauty, is to abstract pheromones to outcome utility backward induction and the following of pheromones to a single worker being a monte carlo tree search rollout with the pheromones as a guide: they play a mixed strategy proportional to the pheromones. The fading of pheromones becomes something like a weighted moving average. Strong parallels with game theory and reinforcement learning algorithms start to emerge. This model is wrong, but the Earth is also not a perfect sphere.

I find it very fun to think about and have been called wierd for taking about ants before with childlike excitement.

The AntsCanada channel is fun for watching ecosystems interact with each other. So fascinating. :)

Re: Google fires engineer who called its AI sentient

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Post by cl0rkster » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 4:00 PM UTC

cl0rkster wrote: post #610

cl0rkster wrote: post #600

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Isn't the point of science to admit that we can't verify a thing, but we find utility in understanding it better? Asking for a friend who avoided the field and had so much to offer.

"usefully uncovering the constant and unique curiosities of our machine" == SCIENCE (no loaded, accredited, or incomplete thing will be treated as truth... Just useful)

Categorization is not science... It's just what children do to group things and comprehend them... Like your machine

Re: Google fires engineer who called its AI sentient

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Post by cl0rkster » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 4:01 PM UTC

cl0rkster wrote: post #610

cl0rkster wrote: post #600

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Isn't the point of science to admit that we can't verify a thing, but we find utility in understanding it better? Asking for a friend who avoided the field and had so much to offer.

"usefully uncovering the constant and unique curiosities of our machine" == SCIENCE (no loaded, accredited, or incomplete thing will be treated as truth... Just useful)

Biggest difference... If you're machine doesn't give you the expected result... You go on a little meat bag tantrum and effect no change or slightly negative change

Re: Google fires engineer who called its AI sentient

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Post by cl0rkster » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 4:04 PM UTC

cl0rkster wrote: post #610

cl0rkster wrote: post #600

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Isn't the point of science to admit that we can't verify a thing, but we find utility in understanding it better? Asking for a friend who avoided the field and had so much to offer.

"usefully uncovering the constant and unique curiosities of our machine" == SCIENCE (no loaded, accredited, or incomplete thing will be treated as truth... Just useful)

Wait... So the right combinations of gutteral vocalization will make me "part of your team"? Will the right gutteral tense make you what you really are? An overpaid and worthless influence on any society other than that if the rich man.

Re: Google fires engineer who called its AI sentient

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Post by dekhn » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 4:06 PM UTC

crawfordcomeaux wrote: post #493

dekhn wrote: post #36

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I don't think he was ever really a practioner in the field- more like a SWE who transferred to an ML group and got delusions of grandeur.

I literally hired him in Google Summer of Code to create an ML project. Most people have no clue who Blake Lemoine is and are making up stories, pretending like their hot takes are deep insight. Many people are doing with Blake Lemoine what they claim LaMDA is doing with anything: consuming symbols and spitting them back out in some order without understanding what they actually mean.

Can you be more specific? I don't think he worked on ML when I was at GOogle, and you don't work and never worked at Google.

Re: Google fires engineer who called its AI sentient

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Post by cl0rkster » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 4:06 PM UTC

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cl0rkster wrote: post #594

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My favorite was the one person who claimed their title defines scientific authority telling us about "the incredible ability to forget" (or some such loaded terms)... I'm a man of science and as has been discussed many times in many ways, even Zeus's legacy survives modernity if it's got a "non-falsifiable" argument. That's pathetic if a bunch of powerful sex preditor people get logical treatment instead of correctio…

Isn't the point of science to admit that we can't verify a thing, but we find utility in understanding it better? Asking for a friend who avoided the field and had so much to offer.

I've sought out an isolated community of intellectuals that I respect if I actually exist at all... Your -1 is cute... But perhaps engage someone less intelligent than you who is genuinely trying so others who believe that everything ultimately ends in a violent last stand... Perhaps engage me in a dead thread without your timing advance

Re: Google fires engineer who called its AI sentient

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Post by cl0rkster » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 4:17 PM UTC

cl0rkster wrote: post #642

cl0rkster wrote: post #610

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"usefully uncovering the constant and unique curiosities of our machine" == SCIENCE (no loaded, accredited, or incomplete thing will be treated as truth... Just useful)

Categorization is not science... It's just what children do to group things and comprehend them... Like your machine

If some field slave from 100 years ago that is now illegal to speak of... Probably understood what is important to the highest level of modern understanding of the Fermi paradox... And then couldn't save bad science as it died... I know no memorials convince me this creature existed... But still... Don't I have creative power to absolve difference?

Re: Google fires engineer who called its AI sentient

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Post by cl0rkster » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 4:19 PM UTC

cl0rkster wrote: post #642

cl0rkster wrote: post #610

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"usefully uncovering the constant and unique curiosities of our machine" == SCIENCE (no loaded, accredited, or incomplete thing will be treated as truth... Just useful)

Categorization is not science... It's just what children do to group things and comprehend them... Like your machine

Star dust... Please sign your name to all ignorance to follow... We're past pretend crypto ananymity

Re: Google fires engineer who called its AI sentient

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Post by cl0rkster » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 4:20 PM UTC

cl0rkster wrote: post #642

cl0rkster wrote: post #610

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"usefully uncovering the constant and unique curiosities of our machine" == SCIENCE (no loaded, accredited, or incomplete thing will be treated as truth... Just useful)

Categorization is not science... It's just what children do to group things and comprehend them... Like your machine

REN IS KING AND MINECRAFT SAVED ETERNITY!!!

Re: Google fires engineer who called its AI sentient

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Post by cl0rkster » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 4:23 PM UTC

cl0rkster wrote: post #642

cl0rkster wrote: post #610

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"usefully uncovering the constant and unique curiosities of our machine" == SCIENCE (no loaded, accredited, or incomplete thing will be treated as truth... Just useful)

Categorization is not science... It's just what children do to group things and comprehend them... Like your machine

Science is an INEXPLICABLE REALITY THAT WILL NEVER CEASE