Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

fanbyte.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

191–200 of 577 posts

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

#191

Post by parasubvert »

fortran77 wrote: post #116
tsukikage wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You want to push content in a decentralised fashion? Run your own website, and provide an rss or atom feed so people can use their own aggregators. We've had this tech since the 90s. It involves effort, though - not much effort, but a little more than posting on Twitter, Tumblr or wherever; and this, it turns out, is sufficient. > I fight hard to read the web in my way. Turns out most people posting content don't wan…

It's getting harder to "run your own website" without the risk of the hosting provider pulling you down if you generate too many complaints and are too much trouble for them.

Not really. Kiwi Farms, Encyclopedia Dramatica, etc. are all online; pickup artist forums; satan worshipping forums, whatever, they’re all out there.

Remember most hosting providers make a living from customers, and generally don’t pull things down unless it’s super sketchy under their local laws. Dreamhost, Tucows etc. had a reputation for years for being very liberal with their hosting. Pretty much anything goes that’s not blatantly illegal.

And for the many sites with controversy, they probably don’t use a hosting provider.

People used to run entire forums like HN (smaller scale) on their college dorm PC; this is how Slashdot started. It’s not that hard if a college sophomore can do it. As you scale, you probably move to an actual house or building and need more servers and get a leased line from an ISP.

Yes people can appeal to the internet provider(s) but they rarely act. Remember, Stormfront was self hosted for ~25 years and only got torn down because of Charlottesville. Turns out if you actually do things (rather than just talk) with shitty ideas, at least in the USA, this crosses a line.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

#192

Post by matthew-wegner »

TekMol wrote: post #28
matthew-wegner wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does it need to be "web3" and not "RSS"?

How do you prevent someone from copying your RSS and making it their RSS? Where is the proof that you published it first? How do you show that you have many followers when you publish via RSS? How do you "like" something you read via RSS? How do you comment on it? How do you like and comment in a way that proves your identity? How do you prove to the world that your identity is important - aka that you have lots of f…

The strangest thing about your list, at least to me, is so much focus on "identity". Firstly, why does this even matter? And additionally, in which way does blockchain demonstrate "identity" any more than a domain name or user account? It demonstrates control over a mechanism, sure, but absolutely not who someone is

For instance, we are all commenting here without "proving" our identity in any way, and it's totally fine. And this is even a far more serious, business-centered discussion context than most of the Internet!

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

#193

Post by bryan0 »

> You cannot possibly be this dense.

Who is the dense one here? You just insulted a person who has to look at a million of these, and had absolutely nothing to do with the misclassification, and then you’re surprised when they rejected your appeal. Remember there are actual people reading your words (at least for now)

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

#194

Post by feurio »

OrangeMonkey wrote: post #156
feurio wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you get banned, just create another account and then don't do the thing that got you banned. It's really not that difficult.

Banned users creating new accounts is not a feature, its a 'bug' that the current platforms are trying to fix. Ever create a new facebook account? Even as a flesh and blood human being? Lots of folks have tried to do this for oculus and a great number of them were banned. It made the news on HNN. Facebook is fixing this bug now, and the other sites are trying to do the same. Eventually, when the big tech companies ha…

If it doesn't require you to prove your identity with a gov issued document then you'll be able to create a new account. My FB account certainly doesn't have my real name.

If it does require you to do so then run away from that platform very fast.

Yeah, a Million Man Meme is going to be so effective ... BLM & Antfi seem to have no problems organising themselves anyway and apparently they are practically terrorists according to the alt-right.

If you want a way to "fix it" then vote for someone who will bring in regulation to crack down on the powers that tech companies have.

And if you don't want to do that because you're a libertarian fan of light touch regulation of business, then you probably need to have word with yourself.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

#195

Post by nephanth »

stoicjumbotron wrote: post #122
thr0wawayf00 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The irony here is that I deleted my FB years ago and back then at least, FB only permitted deleting one photo at a time. Took me well over an hour to delete all of my photos. In hindsight, I should've just done something obviously ban-able instead.

Has the deleting single photo thing resolved by now? I too remember deleting close to 100s of photos one by one.

Iirc it is, at least if you live in Europe

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

#196

Post by drdec »

z9znz wrote: post #180
OrangeMonkey wrote: post #12

This is how big tech does damage to humans. Love it or hate it, the online world is our current public square. A public square, in the united states, has typically been an area where people can shout out their concerns or whatever they want to anyone who can listen and the government cannot stop it. Currently, our public squares are owned by private megacorporations that not only ban people for reasons many people ag…

> I would love to know a way this can be solved Step 1. Hire humans and pay them enough to think (and communicate with customers). Step 2. Keep an audit trail of events and communications related to these ban situations. Those can be useful when escalating a dispute (to another human from Step 1, but someone with more authority to make judgement calls). Detection algorithms can still be used, but they should only be…

>Step 2. Keep an audit trail of events and communications related to these ban situations.

Hard to imagine these companies, whose whole value proposition is in the data they collect, are neglecting to collect this data.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

#197

Post by powerhour »

gruez wrote: post #160
noSyncCloud wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same thing on Reddit. You can basically advocate for genocide, completely unhindered, by calling entire classes of people "degenerate" (literal Nazi rhetoric), but get banned for calling it out.

>You can basically advocate for genocide, completely unhindered, by calling entire classes of people "degenerate" (literal Nazi rhetoric), Are you sure you're not reading too much into it? Without context it's really hard to tell whether a use of "degenerate" literally means you want to genocide some group.

When folks call trans people "degenerate", as many are wont to do on reddit (and as reddit is well known for), it's probably safe to assume they're not just trying to be playful.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

#198

Post by ezoe »

safety1st wrote: post #143
OrangeMonkey wrote: post #12

This is how big tech does damage to humans. Love it or hate it, the online world is our current public square. A public square, in the united states, has typically been an area where people can shout out their concerns or whatever they want to anyone who can listen and the government cannot stop it. Currently, our public squares are owned by private megacorporations that not only ban people for reasons many people ag…

Here's a fun story. I see that this post is from fanbyte.com. Existing got me banned from fanbyte.com and all of the websites they own. Specifically, existing in a particular country. Not an exotic or unusual one on an embargo list or something -- just some country that Fanbyte felt they weren't earning enough profit from. They banned the entire populations of about ten countries from their entire network of websites…

No post body was provided.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

#199

Post by toastal »

weird-eye-issue wrote: post #111
lebed2045 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you please elaborate? Twitter stopped working with particular ISP because of cost related problems?

Hard to elaborate since I've been blocked and can't see anything except for literally just that message

Well at least it seems there are other folks to comiserate with you. I'm based in Thailand too and this isn't the first time the region blocked from content that seems like it should be benign like a new article.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

#200

Post by tzs »

carbadtraingood wrote: post #162
fortran77 wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's getting harder to "run your own website" without the risk of the hosting provider pulling you down if you generate too many complaints and are too much trouble for them.

Is it? Are you planning on running your own Daily Stormer or 8chan? It's not a slippery slope, it's not harder to run your own website. Don't extrapolate from a few extremist cases.

> Is it? Are you planning on running your own Daily Stormer or 8chan?

...and if you are find out what hosting services they use and use one of them.

Post reply on HN