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Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by unixbane »

Twitter is an abysmal shithole of bad software engineering and bad webshit policy, which seems to be a requirement to be a website that serves public utility. I also so happened to rant about idiot moderation policies just 2 days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32174538

I can write this rant every day.

Also, this is the first thing that comes to mind when hearing "AI moderation". What we are seeing here is just hype and clout around the new AI boom and so idiot managers and consumers are demanding it regardless of whether it will be well engineered and put into an eligible application.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by carbadtraingood »

fortran77 wrote: post #116
tsukikage wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You want to push content in a decentralised fashion? Run your own website, and provide an rss or atom feed so people can use their own aggregators. We've had this tech since the 90s. It involves effort, though - not much effort, but a little more than posting on Twitter, Tumblr or wherever; and this, it turns out, is sufficient. > I fight hard to read the web in my way. Turns out most people posting content don't wan…

It's getting harder to "run your own website" without the risk of the hosting provider pulling you down if you generate too many complaints and are too much trouble for them.

Is it? Are you planning on running your own Daily Stormer or 8chan?

It's not a slippery slope, it's not harder to run your own website. Don't extrapolate from a few extremist cases.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by tzs »

lapcat wrote: post #129

My Twitter account has been suspended multiple times, the last time for an obvious joke. As with the article author here, Twitter reviewed my appeal and denied it. https://lapcatsoftware.com/articles/twitter4.html In the end I caved, giving Twitter my phone number and deleting the tweet, because I need my Twitter account for professional purposes. But now guess what, there was a data breach, and hackers are selling m…

Your joking speculation that there may be a YouTube video on how to cut off your own leg was in fact correct. There is one from "the leg man" posted 4 years ago.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by [deleted] »

khuzudin wrote: post #35
petee wrote: post #3

A few people commenting on the post say they to had a similar bans when clipping through the world and a grey screen was shown. Maybe the solid gray is triggering the AI to pick any policy violation that had gray in it once...

Or, as suggested by another commenter, the AI is triggering off of the camera moving quickly downward while pointing upward, which is similar to upskirting videos.

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Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by starkd »

safety1st wrote: post #143
OrangeMonkey wrote: post #12

This is how big tech does damage to humans. Love it or hate it, the online world is our current public square. A public square, in the united states, has typically been an area where people can shout out their concerns or whatever they want to anyone who can listen and the government cannot stop it. Currently, our public squares are owned by private megacorporations that not only ban people for reasons many people ag…

Here's a fun story. I see that this post is from fanbyte.com. Existing got me banned from fanbyte.com and all of the websites they own. Specifically, existing in a particular country. Not an exotic or unusual one on an embargo list or something -- just some country that Fanbyte felt they weren't earning enough profit from. They banned the entire populations of about ten countries from their entire network of websites…

But could that be Fanbyte's way of dealing with a specific country's laws? Perhaps they don't have the manpower and those countries are small enough that the only cost effective option is to just not operate in those countries.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by serf »

jsnell wrote: post #69
OrangeMonkey wrote: post #12

This is how big tech does damage to humans. Love it or hate it, the online world is our current public square. A public square, in the united states, has typically been an area where people can shout out their concerns or whatever they want to anyone who can listen and the government cannot stop it. Currently, our public squares are owned by private megacorporations that not only ban people for reasons many people ag…

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>No meaningful damage was done to a human here. The author would get unsuspended immediately if they chose to delete the tweet, and knows it.

forcing a human to submit is absolutely damaging, more-so when the judgement is egregiously inhumane, incorrect, and final.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by tolmasky »

It seems AI is quickly becoming capable of automating the worst human systems, vs. offering amazing solutions to humanities. In this case, it seems AI has successfully mimicked the horrible bureaucratic systems, operated entirely by humans, that leave you feeling equally helpless (think the film “Brazil”), only these fancy technical systems are cheaper, maybe? I suppose it should be no surprise that when we tried to imitate humans we got as bad end results as when humans were running things.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by ISL »

gambiting wrote: post #133
ISL wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think that Twitter could possibly survive as a company without large amounts of automated moderation?

It couldn't, but what all of these companies could absolutely do is pair automated moderation with human review. When AI flags something as innapropriate, a human has to sign it off before it's removed or the account suspended. The only exception for it is when content matches a known hash for illegal content - then it should be removed automatically.

How many automated-review actions do you think Twitter performs in a day that would require such a review?

How many seconds might each human-review take?

What false-positive rate is acceptable on that human-review?

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