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A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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post #6

Its clear that the broken element in this process is not the AI banning the writer of the post, but the poor presumably human review

An AI arbitrarily banning someone for a completely innocuous post isn't broken?

If the false positive rate is low and human review is swift and not broken, I really wouldn't mind.

It's a force multiplier that every social media platform needs to not drown in costs for human moderation. Especially human moderation as described above.

Unless you get people to pay for social media. Good luck with that.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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This is how big tech does damage to humans.

Love it or hate it, the online world is our current public square. A public square, in the united states, has typically been an area where people can shout out their concerns or whatever they want to anyone who can listen and the government cannot stop it.

Currently, our public squares are owned by private megacorporations that not only ban people for reasons many people agree with, but also for insane things like this. There is no appeal unless you convince enough others (using another public square) you are right and they also scream for you.

Eventually, all of us that are 'ok' with this will end up being banned from one service or another for life, with no appeal, and thats that. A perfectly pristine public square filled not with people, but consumers staring at advertising boards.

I would love to know a way this can be solved as its painting a depressing picture. I don't like how this makes me feel.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Every time I read about these dystopian deplatforming events on Hacker News, my first reaction is to write a comment on how we could find our way out of this. Then the term "Web3" comes up in my mind, and then I think "Oh now, this is HN, they will burn you alive" and I turn to other things again.

But right now, for some reason I feel so strongly about, I'll give it another try.

Wouldn't it be great if we could tackle two issues with in one go? The annoying interfaces of Twitter/FB/Insta and co and the constant fear of being deplatformed? By publishing our stuff on a decentralized database that is open for anyone to read in whatever way they like?

I fight hard to read the web in my way. When I see a link to Twitter, I manually change it to Nitter. I use an ad blocker. Bookmarklets to remove sticke elements from the pages I visit.

I try hard to publish my stuff, so it cannot be deplatformed easily. Preferably on my own domain.

But it's all crutches.

The web I read still feels aggressive, annoying, mean, dangerous, exhausting.

The most important platforms I write to (where people can like and comment) give me the feeling of walking on thin ice. Every moment, me and my audience might be separated.

I really long for a future where content is published in a freely available database. Free to read from and free to write to. Where a post is a content addressable piece of data signed by the author. And comment too. And where a like is a cryptographically signed message, "I like this /joe". And where the order of your "feed" is not adjusted by outside forces.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Its clear that the broken element in this process is not the AI banning the writer of the post, but the poor presumably human review

I'm not so sure I agree. The typical argument for AI moderation in these situations is something along the lines of "Twitter is so big how could we possibly moderate at this scale without AI?" Does a company have a right to scale faster than it has the ability to properly moderate? Should they? Looking at a more extreme example: If General Motors used AI to design cars and they increased the likelihood of fatalities,…

>Does a company have a right to scale faster than it has the ability to properly moderate?

A right? Yes.

>Looking at a more extreme example: If General Motors used AI to design cars and they increased the likelihood of fatalities, would we feel any different?

Getting (temporarily?) banned from Twitter isn't even close to being as bad as a fatality, so the GM example doesn't make any sense.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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post #10

> Overnight, I received a response that my appeal had been denied. So a human being, someone who works at Twitter dot com, looked at that video, looked back at the rule it was breaking, looked once again at the video, and went “Yeah, this all checks out.” My guess is that appeals are either processed by some simple code or offloaded to some cheap labour service - such as Amazon Mechanical Turkey or some sweatshop in…

It’s Mechanical Turk. Although Mechanical Turkey sounds cooler. :)

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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What i find surprising is people willing to trust a random person saying they got banned without elements to prove it

I find this very suspicious, why not show what twitter told you? that seems to be the first thing someone would share when they complain about getting banned

I'll go with "trying to surf on the Stray hype to get clicks" until proper more details are shared

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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post #10

> Overnight, I received a response that my appeal had been denied. So a human being, someone who works at Twitter dot com, looked at that video, looked back at the rule it was breaking, looked once again at the video, and went “Yeah, this all checks out.” My guess is that appeals are either processed by some simple code or offloaded to some cheap labour service - such as Amazon Mechanical Turkey or some sweatshop in…

It’s Mechanical Turk . Although Mechanical Turkey sounds cooler. :)

I'll leave it unedited for the giggles.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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This is how big tech does damage to humans. Love it or hate it, the online world is our current public square. A public square, in the united states, has typically been an area where people can shout out their concerns or whatever they want to anyone who can listen and the government cannot stop it. Currently, our public squares are owned by private megacorporations that not only ban people for reasons many people ag…

Worth pointing out that more life exists outside the corporate run stages. Part of their trick is to make you think that the only way of life is via their platforms.

I’m not and never have been a Twitter or or TikTok or Facebook member.

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