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South Carolina bill outlaws websites that tell how to get an abortion

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Re: South Carolina bill outlaws websites that tell how to get an abortion

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Depends almost wholly on how the state Constitution was written. As long as it doesn't fall afoul of the US Constitution. And it's hardly trying to be North Korea. Hysterics don't help, and actually hurt any rational discussion.

Unironically using the term "hysterics" to talk about the outrage regarding an abolition of women's healthcare...

Abolition? No, just a relinquishing of power from the Federal to the State.

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The principle of Stare decisis does not mean the supreme court can't overturn any decision it's ever made. It's routinely overturned previous decisions, many times overturning previous conservative rulings to put in place liberal ones. If you watch this youtube video of Kavanaugh answering questions I never get the idea that he says he won't overturn Roe v Wage, or that it is a binding or super precedent. https://www…

Sure. When prior decisions are “unworkable or are badly reasoned,” then the Supreme Court may not follow precedent, and this is “particularly true in constitutional cases.” [0] But the prior decision was certainly workable, since it had been working for almost 50 years. And it certainly wasn’t too badly reasoned, since the same reasoning was applied to many other cases — situations which also were quite workable, sin…

Could you please stop creating accounts for every few comments you post? We ban accounts that do that. This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

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Re: South Carolina bill outlaws websites that tell how to get an abortion

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> 10 year old being forced to travel out of state People in the US are able to freely travel between states, this isn't the case elsewhere in the world. Some things are crimes in some jurisdictions and not others, this is normal. If you think it's inadequate, pass an amendment to the constitution, that's what the amendment process if for. If you think the process to too burdensome, encourage your state to secede.

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Personal attacks are particularly not ok, so please don't post like that again.

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I'm not going to ban you right now because if I scroll back far enough in your commenting history I do see comments that are in line with the intention of the site, but if you'd please correct this going forward, we'd be grateful.

Note that this is in addition to what I said at the start of this comment—there are two separate issues here.

Re: South Carolina bill outlaws websites that tell how to get an abortion

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Just waiting for that batshit bounty law (in Texas) to spread to other states. Basically, any citizen can sue anyone if they suspect aiding or abetting an abortion. There are seemingly no recourses either, for the defendant. If successful, the plaintiff can be awarded up to $10k - therefore a bounty law. So by that logic, you should be able to sue the owner of a website - as long as it is within the state, because th…

The bounty law was implemented while Roe v Wade was in effect. Texas also passed a trigger law that, essentially, supersedes the bounty law by changing it from a civil matter to a criminal matter. Since SCOTUS overturned Roe v Wade, the trigger law goes into effect. Prior to SCOTUS overturning Roe v Wade, other states were preparing their own bounty laws. I believe those have since been abandoned in favor of criminal…

> Texas also passed a trigger law that, essentially, supersedes the bounty law by changing it from a civil matter to a criminal matter.

False. The trigger law does not supersede the bounty law, it complements it. Acts can be torts and crimes simultaneously, and when they are both, they can be pursued as either or both.

Re: South Carolina bill outlaws websites that tell how to get an abortion

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Unironically using the term "hysterics" to talk about the outrage regarding an abolition of women's healthcare...

Abolition? No, just a relinquishing of power from the Federal to the State.

No, it's a relinquishing of power from women to the state. Hence, abolition is the correct word.

Re: South Carolina bill outlaws websites that tell how to get an abortion

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> many do not like that track record This is separate from the question of whether the Constitution worked. It did. It produced a stable, powerful society. That some people are dissatisfied doesn’t refute that track record. It just points out there are dimensions on which it failed some.

How do you separate out the confounders in this argument, like ww2 destroying Europe, or the natural resources available in N America? Other countries have been very successful with other forms on basic documents. The American success may have been more successful with a document written to reflect a society without slaves, where you can travel across multiple state borders within a day, etc. I mean, it’s a fine docu…

> can we please stop asserting without strong evidence that it’s the best ever or that it is the driving force of American success

Straw man. None of this was asserted. All that was claimed is that it worked for the last century.

Re: South Carolina bill outlaws websites that tell how to get an abortion

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You should know that the Bible literally has instructions for when and how to perform an abortion: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers%205%3A1...

Whether this describes a method of inducing abortion is open to interpretation.

If we look at 5:28 in particular, it could be describing either continued fertility or continued pregnancy: https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Bamidbar%205:28

Re: South Carolina bill outlaws websites that tell how to get an abortion

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> Since you have shown you have limited capacity for empathy, try imagining that this 10 year old girl was someone related to you. Maybe even your own daughter. Would you still be aloofly invoking the legalist stance, as if it's ridiculous to demand that laws be just? No, you would be kicking and screaming and crying because of how unfair it is. The rule of law exists precisely because of the temptation to think with…

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Re: South Carolina bill outlaws websites that tell how to get an abortion

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Please don't post flamewar comments to HN, no matter how wrong someone is or you feel they are. We ban accounts that do that because it's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. Personal attacks are particularly not ok, so please don't post like that again. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it. p.s. It l…

I don't see how that comment was a personal attack. That is the core of the argument in favor of abortion rights.

PS: I didn't post that comment.

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