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Re: Google fires engineer who called its AI sentient

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How can science, whose subject matter is the external world, explain the internal world of sentience? Not only has it contributed nothing to this question, it was also never supposed to.

This is akin to a Greek of 5th bce asking Leucippus and Democritus how we could know the structure of a world we cannot see. The absence of an answer is not proof of nonexistence or impossibility. It is just neutral absence. Absence as evidence is only """ valid""" when all possibilities are exhausted in a definite way. Outside of math, that threshold is exceedingly rare in problems of even moderate difficulty. Moreo…

Just curious, can you think of a non-contrived, moderately difficult, non-mathematical problem that has or even in principle could be settled through abscence of evidence? Especially a positive assertion. Closest I could come up with is say confirming a diagnosis by elimination, through abscence of evidence of other candidate diagnoses. But even then there's a non-zero possibility that it's a hitherto unknown disease, or that there was some false negative somewhere.

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IMHO "I think therefore I am" is the only provable statement in philosophy but only to the person referenced by "I".

I don't think that's a philosophical or scientific statement. It's merely something an ostensibly self-aware creature cognizant of its awareness making a subjective statement.

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Just curious, what evidence do we have that humans are sentient, other than our own conscious observations? Is there any physical feature or process in the human brain you can point to where you can say, “aha, that’s it, this is where the lights turn on”? It seems like this is part of a bigger issue that nobody really has a clear understanding of what sentience actually is (with or without a PhD)

Not all humans are sentinent

Re: Google fires engineer who called its AI sentient

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I don't know whether this AI is sentient in any real sense and can't read Blake's mind to see what his real motives were, but I'd say that if he genuinely believed that the AI achieved sentience, there's a reasonable case to call him a whistleblower.

I can't quote the whistleblower statutes from memory, but I believe that, even if we conceded your point about his state of mind: there is no law that Google would be violating. Is there some law regulating sentience of computer systems? Of course not. So is there a law about "developing dangerous weapons"? Maybe. But is "sentience" a dangerous weapon? You have to stretch the laws to the breaking point for your claim…

Legally speaking, I doubt that there's an actual law that applies for the welfare of AIs.

Morally speaking, if society treats both human and animal abuse as a crime, then talking about the believed suffering of an AI would certainly fit the spirit of these sorts of legal protections.

There are going to be some interesting question that might have to be seriously broached within our lifetime. Is an AI sentient? Can it suffer? Can it lie? Does it feel pain? At what point would an artificial creation qualify for some rights? This has previously only been the realm of science fiction.

Re: Google fires engineer who called its AI sentient

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Only if you agree with David Chalmers' insistence that consciousness can't be explained purely mechanistically. P-zombies are literally defined as externally identical to a conscious person, except not conscious. But the IO if you will is still identical. Chalmers uses this false dichotomy to support his "Hard Problem of Consciousness". But there is no hard problem IMO. Chalmers can keep his dualist baggage if it hel…

How can science, whose subject matter is the external world, explain the internal world of sentience? Not only has it contributed nothing to this question, it was also never supposed to.

Try reading "Waking Up" by Sam Harris. I feel it does a decent job of straddling the fields of science and philosophy, and where we are in each.

Science may not yet be able to explain consciousness but it certainly can inform our understanding, and the work continues. If nothing else, it can help us understand what consciousness is not, and much has been learned about how a consciousness experiences certain degradations of the brain.

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FWIW, he's a self-proclaimed "Christian Mystic". https://cajundiscordian.medium.com/religious-discrimination-...

Which is weird because articles about him from when he was convicted describe him as pagan. He was sentenced to jail time for being in the armed forces and refusing to follow orders. Not "charge that hill, soldier" types of orders, or "pilot this drone and kill people" types of orders. He's certainly trying to sell that story, telling papers he "served" in Iraq. He was a mechanic. Working a desk job. He just stopped…

Google, like many SV companies, has "banned the box".

https://www.careeraddict.com/companies-hire-felons

Re: Google fires engineer who called its AI sentient

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How can science, whose subject matter is the external world, explain the internal world of sentience? Not only has it contributed nothing to this question, it was also never supposed to.

Isn't that a bit extreme? Sure we don't have "the answer" but saying that the amount of things we know about how our brain works, from behavioral rhings how can our perception system can he tricked, biases in our cognition modes, the mechanism of memory and how it fails ... down to more low leven things about how the neuronal tissue works, neuroplasticity, the effects of brain injury on cognition (my favourite is whe…

> my favourite is when patients subjected to corpus callosotomy probably function as two independent brains and yet the individual cannot tell from inside, it doesn't "feel" like two people

My layman interpretation of this fact is that consciousness/sentience doesn't originate in the cerebral cortex, but rather, within deeper brain structures.

Re: Google fires engineer who called its AI sentient

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LLM are definitely not sentient. As someone with a PhD in this domain, I attribute the 'magic' to large scale statistical knowledge assimilation by the models - and reproduction to prompts which closely match the inputs' sentence embedding. GPT-3 is known to fail in many circumstances which would otherwise be commonplace logic. (I remember seeing how addition of two small numbers yielded results - but larger numbers…

Yeah but what's weird is this guy appears to be a practitioner of the field. He surely knows more about AI than I do, and I find it incredibly obvious it's not sentient. I dunno if he's got some issues or something (it appears he's dressed like a magician underwater in that photo) but it's really odd...

When asked if his opinion was based on his knowledge of how the system worked he said no, it was based on his experience as a priest. I paraphrase from memory.

Re: Google fires engineer who called its AI sentient

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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. It’s as simple as that.

How extraordinary is it to claim that something capable of holding a lucid and eloquent conversation might be sentient? If a dog did that we'd have a very different opinion wouldn't we?

It’s extraordinary because the ML was trained (iow programmed) to generate text that sounds real. It’s doing what it was programmed to do.

It was presumably not programmed to be sentient, so becoming sentient would be a) against its programming, and b) extra-ordinary

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Then is torture, rape and murder wrong because the victim is sentient, or because the perpetrator is?

There are arguments to be made for both. Some crimes, even if virtual, can stain or corrupt the perpetrator in ways inimical to society. There are plenty of examples of people who fantasised or role played abhorrent behaviour and went on to perpetrate it in real life, so there is a real danger. For example we tolerate computer games with virtual killing, but don’t tolerate virtual rape games. Even with virtual killin…

I'm trying to understand the connection between the original question and video games.

This seems like an orthogonal set of considerations.

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