Problem number one is Accenture outsources all development to the cheapest bidder. Usually in India. Plenty of great Indian engineers, but they want the cheapest. I do wonder how difficult Hertz legacy systems made this on them though. Starting anew is not an option and I have little doubt Hertz existing infrastructure was a mess for the same reasons the new infrastructure is a mess. Lots of companies have become reliant on software, bit treated its development like a commodity to be purchased. Not a core part of the business for which they must hire internally.
Hertz paid Accenture $32M for a website that never went live (2019)
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Re: Hertz paid Accenture $32M for a website that never went live (2019)
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Ok so you hire 6 people for a million dollars a year. Turns out they’re not capable of delivering. Now what?
You fire them and had the same outcome as this case for $26 million cheaper
Ok, but what do you do next? Because usually the answer is “try to hire someone who says they can do this”
Ideally it’s not Accenture’s battalions of scrubs, but it’s not like the problem is just gone.
Re: Hertz paid Accenture $32M for a website that never went live (2019)
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Because hiring tech talent is hard. Especially when you don’t have much tech expertise yourself.
I know it's hard. As a reasonably competent developer, why is it so hard for 5 of us to exist in one room? I know lack of hiring expertise is a big factor, I know salary is a big factor, but shouldn't this problem be solvable? hy is it so hard to consistently find qualified individuals? Do most other industries experience this same problem at the same scale?
Most people aren’t competent. Most people are also poor at evaluating competence. And most orgs don’t actually have harsh hiring and firing policies to try and address this. Not that they would work anyway because of (2).
Re: Hertz paid Accenture $32M for a website that never went live (2019)
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I have this theory that B2B is actually most of the economy; and, that, somehow, real people are only ancillary to that. Like a patina if human customers over a huge mound of B2B ... motion.
But how can that be? At the end of the day some consumer must foot the bill and cover all the additional costs of B2B services. Ultimately businesses are only comfortable paying others businesses because they found a way to make money (i.e. sell to customers, somewhere down the line)
I own a computer; my company buys a computer for me to do work. If the economy consists of mothing but people, companies, and computers, it'll be twice as big as you'd think it'd be.
Then, you need people to manage the computers — but now you need twice the number of people to do that than you think you would.
You need to ship computers, recycle computers, ...
The economy isn't zero-sum: I think the nonpeople economy is only limited by our ability to run companies, and there's no limit ti the wealth of a company? Maybe? I dunno...
Re: Hertz paid Accenture $32M for a website that never went live (2019)
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Yeah--improper incentives cause all kinds of problems. Once there was an enormous tanker truck fire under an overpass in the Bay Area on a major freeway. A section of the overpass collapsed. The state asked for bids, but the contract had an interesting feature: substantial sums would be paid for each calendar day the work was completed ahead of schedule. One contractor underbid everyone by a substantial margin, and g…
The state offered money for early completion, and got an early completion. I don't necessary see anything wrong with that as long as quality standards were met, and the final cost wasn't outrageous.
Yeah, I should have clarified that I thought this was an example of incentives being correct.
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The global economy and free market will always make sure that the talented people will receive higher compensation. It doesn't matter if someone outsources to India or not, but if you are getting something for really cheap you are buying shit and being scammed. There are obviously good high quality Indian developers too, but they are not going to be working for these low cost sweatshops that get contracts from Fortun…
> The global economy and free market will always make sure that the talented people will receive higher compensation. Any proof of that statement? Or are you one of those people who believes in the invisible hand of providence the way religious people believe in God? Hey, remember back in the good old days of cotton plantations, when the African slaves were well compensated for their extreme talent in picking cotton…
> the way religious people believe in God?
Except that there are concrete proofs of God.
Re: Hertz paid Accenture $32M for a website that never went live (2019)
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When I graduated back on 2010, Accenture has been around and was invited for an interview but I somehow got cold feet. In my country Accenture is one of the longest established companies here that hires fresh graduates who don’t know anything. I believe a part of that team are fresh graduates and bureaucratic project managers who have no clue how technology works but got promoted because of the college they came from…
I wonder what country this is..
Probably India.
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> The global economy and free market will always make sure that the talented people will receive higher compensation. Any proof of that statement? Or are you one of those people who believes in the invisible hand of providence the way religious people believe in God? Hey, remember back in the good old days of cotton plantations, when the African slaves were well compensated for their extreme talent in picking cotton…
> the way religious people believe in God? Except that there are concrete proofs of God.
LOL
Re: Hertz paid Accenture $32M for a website that never went live (2019)
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> The global economy and free market will always make sure that the talented people will receive higher compensation. Any proof of that statement? Or are you one of those people who believes in the invisible hand of providence the way religious people believe in God? Hey, remember back in the good old days of cotton plantations, when the African slaves were well compensated for their extreme talent in picking cotton…
> the way religious people believe in God? Except that there are concrete proofs of God.
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Re: Hertz paid Accenture $32M for a website that never went live (2019)
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24 year olds? Since when are they sending the senior consultants out on engagements like this! I lasted not even 6 months working in professional services, really woke me up to what "prestigious careers" really are.
Andersen Consulting/Accenture is my first job. Accenture directly sends me to the client after finishing my orientation program and 2-3 days of training. On my first day arrived at the client side for some initial discussion. I saw everyone standing with anxious faces and suddenly everyone spontaneously laughing. On lunch time, the client told me this was their first time engaging a big consultant firm and they did n…
Consultants and agencies typically give all of the actual work to young 22-28 year olds. Leadership focuses on acquiring new business. Once they get your business they really do not care what happens beyond generally fulfilling the contracted requirements.